Bob Antone: Sasquatch and Serial Killers in Washington State

Bob Antone returns to talk Sasquatch and serial killers in Washington state.

Bob and his wife started offering Bigfoot walking tours in 2017. His interest began in his childhood, listening to family members telling stories and then later got his wife interested. They introduce the topic to people on their tours by familiarizing them with some of the names for these beings used by Native tribes and then launching into some of the traditional stories and folklore.

“Whenever children are in danger or being abused or whenever innocence is in danger, these beings, the Sasquatch, the benevolent form, will show themselves.” – Bob Antone

No matter where you stand on the issue, Bob is a wonderful storyteller and has researched the subjects for many years. Bob shares some of the historical mentions of Sasquatch which form a documented part of our state history.

You will learn:

1. The connection between serial killers in the Northwest and the subject of Bigfoot/Sasquatch

2. Stories of Bigfoot sightings, including a strange occurrence during a walking tour 

3. The agreement between Bigfoot and the human world to protect and watch out for each other.

Bob Antone Sasquatch and Serial Killers Episode Transcript

Scott Cowan [00:00:04]:

Hello, friends, and welcome to the Exploring Washington State Podcast. My name is Scott Cowan, and I’m the host of the show. Each episode, I have a conversation with an interesting guest who is living in or from Washington State. These are casual conversations with real and interesting people. I think you’re gonna like the show, so let’s jump right in with today’s guest. Well, welcome to this episode of the exploring Washington State podcast. My guest today is Bob Antone. Bob’s back.

Scott Cowan [00:00:33]:

Bob’s a Bob. Well, first off, I’m sitting here drinking a cup of coffee. I’m I’m I’ve asked you before about coffee. So this episode, we’re gonna skip. I gotta tell you today, I’m drinking something from Blue Star Coffee out of Twisp. Have you ever been to Twisp?

Bob Antone [00:00:48]:

Yes. I have.

Scott Cowan [00:00:50]:

Their their coffee is fantastic. Anyway, there’s my plug for Blue Star Coffee completely on Sweet. On on unplanned and unrehearsed. But, anyway, I’m drinking coffee. Looks like you’re drinking hot water or just water?

Bob Antone [00:01:04]:

Just water.

Scott Cowan [00:01:07]:

So disappointing. Bob, you’re back. Why don’t you tell the audience what you want to cover today? Because like I told you before we hit record, you’re driving the bus.

Bob Antone [00:01:21]:

Sure. Yeah. So last time we talked, I mentioned the connection between serial killers in the Northwest and Washington state and the subject of Bigfoot or Sasquatch. So I think that’s what we’re going to discuss today. Sound good?

Scott Cowan [00:01:39]:

It sounds I won’t say it sounds good. It sounds interesting. How’s that? It sounds very interesting. I I am really looking forward to seeing how you’re gonna tie a thread between serial killers and Sasquatch. So what are we gonna start with?

Bob Antone [00:01:59]:

Well, we could start with, our 1st Bigfoot tour. So, my wife and I, started hosting tours in 2017. And on December 10th, 2017, we had our 1st Bigfoot walking tour located near Exit 38 Olali State Park. And the thing is, we save all of our notes for every single tour, all the research that we do. We write it all down as much as we possibly can. So we have like a hard copy, you know, and I have all the scripts in front of me. And basically we can start talking about the subject of Bigfoot and just kinda go into that a little bit. And then at some point, we will transition to the subjects, surrounding serial killers in the northwest and Washington state.

Scott Cowan [00:02:56]:

Right. Before we get started. So you and your wife did your 1st big foot walking tour. When did I’ll ask you the question for yourself first, then I’ll ask the question and you can answer for your wife. Who’s not here to defend herself. So you can completely make anything up you want, but she’ll listen to it, Bob. So be careful. So when did you become interested in in Bigfoot?

Bob Antone [00:03:19]:

I became interested in Bigfoot, as a child because my grandparents and uncles told stories. And we live in a we live in an area known as a hot spot for sightings. North Bend, Washington, Snoqualmie Valley. It’s well known. It’s a hot spot. And so everybody in our community has some kind of connection or has heard a story or has a family member or has them sell have themselves seen a Bigfoot or something like that in this area. Yep.

Scott Cowan [00:03:52]:

How about your wife?

Bob Antone [00:03:55]:

Has she seen Bigfoot?

Scott Cowan [00:03:56]:

Not not necessarily has she seen Bigfoot, but when did she get interested in it? To the rest of your recollection.

Bob Antone [00:04:05]:

I think she got interested in it because I was interested in it. Okay.

Scott Cowan [00:04:09]:

Okay. Alright.

Bob Antone [00:04:10]:

Yeah.

Scott Cowan [00:04:10]:

Alright. So I have to ask this question. I was I was thinking about waiting. I just think I’m just gonna get out of the way because this is a question that’s been kind of, rattling around in my brain. And it’s, I don’t want to say that I don’t believe it’s not like that, but here’s, here’s where I’m here’s why I have skepticism. Given the amazing abilities of technology to track things, thermals, thermal, you know, all of that. How on earth, I mean, is Bigfoot really the world’s best hide and go seek champion, but how, how is this creature or creatures

Bob Antone [00:04:59]:

opinion is, and my opinion is based on, many years of research that Sasquatch or Bigfoot is a spiritual being. It is not the physical gorilla hybrid, you know, animal that’s out there, I believe, and based on, the evidence that it is a spiritual being.

Scott Cowan [00:05:21]:

Okay. That’s okay. So wow. Alright. Back to 2017 Bigfoot tour. Your strips. Thank you for letting me hijack the thread.

Bob Antone [00:05:31]:

No. That’s alright. No. That’s alright. So we started in the parking lot at Olali State Park and had a great crowd. A lot of people showed up. Basically, we introduced the subject, using some of the local indigenous teachings and names for Sasquatch. And real quick, the most accurate name, you know, for Sasquatch or the most common in the language is saskets.

Bob Antone [00:06:02]:

Saskets. It’s just like baskets, but you use the letter s at the beginning.

Scott Cowan [00:06:08]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:06:08]:

Saskets. Yep. There’s also the word Skookum Skookum. So if you go down south, if you’re in, like, Nisqually area, if you’re in, you know, around Mount Saint Helens, you would call Sasquatch Skookum Skookum. So, there’s also names that are malevolent manifestations of this particular being supernatural being. And I don’t say those names out loud. So it’s it’s understood that the names in the language, if they refer to the malevolent form, it is very impolite to say those names out loud, even though I know those names.

Scott Cowan [00:06:52]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:06:53]:

So that’s another one. Yeah. And there’s there are different sizes that are spoken of in the ancient stories of Washington state in the Pacific Northwest, all the way up into Alaska, different sizes. So you have little people that are covered in hair that have their own title, that have their own label. You have the typical 8 foot tall, 9 foot tall that we understand. And then there are also giants that people talk about very similar to in European folklore and in folklore from around the world. They talk about giants, But in this area, they’re covered in hair, and they can transform and turn into different things using earth material, wind, air, different materials of of the earth. So

Scott Cowan [00:07:39]:

So these these these creatures that are different sizes, do they have different names, or were they all kind of named the same?

Bob Antone [00:07:47]:

They all have different names. Yes.

Scott Cowan [00:07:49]:

Okay. Mhmm. Yep. Alright.

Bob Antone [00:07:52]:

So during our our, so something very unusual happened, Okay? On, and it was not the first tour. Excuse me. It was the second time we went up to Olali. Something very, very unusual happened. And this is where we start this journey, down a very strange path. Okay. So on Sunday, January 20, 2019, this was 2 years later.

Scott Cowan [00:08:20]:

Mhmm. About 2

Bob Antone [00:08:21]:

years later, we had another walking tour. And at some point, I was doing an introduction, and I was talking about what I just what we just covered just a minute ago, talking about the different names, the different language, having respect, having awareness that in the old ways, like, if you came on, the turf that belonged to a certain, tribe, you know, that you would honor their protocol and ask permission first before you enter that land. It’d be like if I came over to your house, I would have to knock on the door and ask permission to come inside and use your bathroom. Right?

Scott Cowan [00:09:00]:

Right.

Bob Antone [00:09:01]:

So same idea. So while I was kind of talking about this in front of the crowd and we were saying names freely, we were talking freely, something very, very unusual happened. So behind my back in front of about 35 people, and my wife was there, everybody was there, that could verify this happening, more than one witness, there was suddenly a sound of a very large bodied figure behind me. Now this is January. So the brush, you know, as you know, during the wintertime, it’s bare. You see sticks. It’s not like green and springtime or summer where it’s lush with vegetation. So everything is super bare.

Bob Antone [00:09:42]:

You can see through the trees. It’s all sticks. You know?

Scott Cowan [00:09:45]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:09:45]:

But we turn around in the direction of the sound of this. It was like giant heavy movement, a giant thing, you know, sounds like something. £400, £500 The problem is there was nothing there, but you could hear the sound of something there. And it took 3 big footsteps. And I’m not kidding you. This actually really did happen. This is while I was talking about, you know, all of this protocol and trying to be I was trying to be respectful. I was trying to teach the audience about, like, what I had been told about protocol.

Bob Antone [00:10:19]:

And so that’s the beginning of this journey. So do you have any, like, questions about that? I bet you do. Go ahead.

Scott Cowan [00:10:28]:

Actually, at this point, I don’t. I’m I’m intrigued though. I mean, so I guess the question that pops to mind is, is you said you were saying, you were saying words freely. So I’m going to imply that you said one of the words that you are electing to not during our conversation today. Is that am am I correct with that?

Bob Antone [00:10:48]:

Yes. I believe I said Okay. One of those names

Scott Cowan [00:10:51]:

out loud. Think that that might have been some way of summoning or Yeah. Okay.

Bob Antone [00:10:57]:

Yes.

Scott Cowan [00:10:57]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:10:57]:

Yes.

Scott Cowan [00:10:58]:

Alright. That’s mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:11:01]:

And I know people are like probably thinking this is crazy stuff. You know what I mean? But you know, let’s just go with it. Let’s keep going.

Scott Cowan [00:11:08]:

Let’s know. And see, the thing is I’m I’m okay. I’m I am trying to go into this with a with a blank slate of a mind, an open mind and take it and take it as it is in, take everything in that you’re sharing without trying to filter it. And all that I could think about the way you just described that was you said something, you said a phrase or a word, and that there was a, an F that was the cause. And then there was an effect. And the effect was that you and the people that were participating in the walking tour experienced something that was seen and not not seen felt and heard, but not seen, which is little difficult for my brain to wrap around. But Okay. I’m like, okay.

Scott Cowan [00:12:02]:

Let me ask you this question. Why did you pick this this specific state park? Is that because it’s been documented is is a is a place where these type of occurrences were, noted?

Bob Antone [00:12:15]:

Yes. More than one occurrence that we can discuss further in this interview for sure.

Scott Cowan [00:12:20]:

Uh-huh. Okay. So you you were in a space where something like this could be expected to happen. Okay. So alright. So you say you took you heard 3 big steps.

Bob Antone [00:12:36]:

Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [00:12:36]:

Then what? Just everything back, you know, to January day normal?

Bob Antone [00:12:42]:

Pretty much. Yeah. There was there was breaking of branches too. So, like, you know, this sounded like the the footprints were stepping on branches and breaking those branches. So Okay. That. And then it became quiet and everything was still as if it just vanished. So if there was something big in the woods there, that’s another thing to think about.

Bob Antone [00:13:00]:

Let’s say you you felt that it was a large animal. Okay. Why would that large animal, you know, take 3 steps, let’s say a bear, and then just completely just vanish or cease to move? I mean, that doesn’t make any sense. No. So that’s why it’s very mysterious. You know?

Scott Cowan [00:13:17]:

Right. Okay. So the rest of that so the rest of no. Now this is me being my mat, trying to put myself as one of your walking tour participants that day. I don’t think I’m going into that forest. I’m just going to say, I think I’m going to stay in the parking lot. I think, you know, thanks a lot. That was interesting.

Scott Cowan [00:13:34]:

And, my car’s right over there. So what what so what what transpired next with this with this group? What did you guys end up what was the mood like, and what what happened?

Bob Antone [00:13:49]:

I think everybody got excited in a way because they experienced something unusual. Not everyone in the group, you know, believed that that it was something, you know, everybody there was some skeptics among, but there were a large group of folks that were among the 35 people that really felt they experienced something, unusual and special. And so everybody continued on. Nobody was, you know, too frightened. Believe it or not, they were they were exhilarated. They they went on. We went on.

Scott Cowan [00:14:18]:

So Okay. Alright. So it’d be just 34 if I was there. It’d be oh, no. Anyway, just kidding. Yeah. You’d be out of there. Yeah.

Scott Cowan [00:14:26]:

I’m out. I’m good.

Bob Antone [00:14:32]:

We can do a little history here if you want. Okay.

Scott Cowan [00:14:34]:

Yeah. Let’s let’s.

Bob Antone [00:14:36]:

Okay. Let’s talk about, some of the older encounters that are documented. So you have a gentleman named Paul Kane, k a n e. On March 26, 18 47, there were reports of cannibal scookums. Now, that’s near the Catapulto River 6 miles from Fort Vancouver. And so that that made it into his diary. And, so that’s a documented that you can look up. You can look that up.

Bob Antone [00:15:06]:

That’s well documented. There were people experiencing these cannibal scookums. These are wild men, and I assume the word cannibal means they eat people. Yes.

Scott Cowan [00:15:18]:

Mhmm. Okay.

Bob Antone [00:15:19]:

Now we have Chehalis, Washington, near PL in the 18 fifties. Scookums drove all the people away until the earliest settlers began settling. They started to move back. So the original inhabitants, the First Nations people, the Skookums chased them all out of there. And then the settlers came in and said, hey, let’s, let’s build a little town here. You know, that kind of thing.

Scott Cowan [00:15:45]:

Right.

Bob Antone [00:15:45]:

And so after that, then the native population came back into the air. But they were they were had been frightened away. Very interesting. That’s documented. We have Alice Borst’s grandmother spoke of a monster who lived in tunnels between Rattlesnake Lake and Cedar Lake. You know where Rattlesnake Lake is? It’s kinda. Yep. Yeah.

Bob Antone [00:16:09]:

And that is found in a journal, a diary. It’s actually at the Snoqualmie Valley Historical Museum, and I looked at the original documents. Yeah. So this would have been before 1917. This would have this was before it was Rattlesnake Lake and before the flooding. This is more of the ancient history. And the story goes that the people in the area knew this creature existed. And when strangers like strangers would come to the area, it would come out of the crack, the crevice at the peak of Rattlesnake Ledge.

Bob Antone [00:16:45]:

There’s a big crack if you’ve hiked up to the top there. And so that’s the story there. We’ve collected hundreds of stories like this. We have the term Bigfoot. If people don’t know where Bigfoot specifically started, that started in 1958 with Jerry Crew, and that was printed in the newspaper, and it stuck. Everybody said, oh, I like that Bigfoot Bigfoot. Jerry Crew.

Scott Cowan [00:17:16]:

Let me go ahead. In 58, what paper was this published in?

Bob Antone [00:17:21]:

This would have been down in California. So Jerry Crew would have been in, Northern California area.

Scott Cowan [00:17:27]:

Alright. Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:17:30]:

And it’s still considered Pacific Northwest, even though I know it’s not Washington. So

Scott Cowan [00:17:33]:

that’s okay. We’ll let you slide.

Bob Antone [00:17:35]:

Yeah. Well, let me slide. Okay. Good. Thanks. Yeah. So and then Sasquatch comes from the 19 twenties up in just above the Canadian border. Again, I’m sorry to go outside of Washington a little bit.

Bob Antone [00:17:49]:

Oh, my gosh. I know. I know. I know. So, yeah, Sasquatch came from the 19 twenties, and that term came and was derived from Saskets.

Scott Cowan [00:18:00]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:18:01]:

And so Saskets is just a a real even way, you know, a simple way to remember.

Scott Cowan [00:18:07]:

So my question

Bob Antone [00:18:08]:

here is sasquatch.

Scott Cowan [00:18:09]:

Yeah. So my question here is then, so when, when, when the general public is, is seeing or reading or saying the word Bigfoot or sasquatch, in your opinion, they’re talking about the same thing.

Bob Antone [00:18:25]:

Not necessarily, but specifically, Saskets is the benevolent, benevolent form. So Saskets is a a positive, a guardian, a good a good thing, like a a positive thing. So that’s very specific in the language that Saskets Okay. Is a been benevolent. Yep.

Scott Cowan [00:18:45]:

Okay. Alright. So it’s only been in the last, let’s see, 65 years that the word big, which is slightly older than me. So my entire life, it’s been Bigfoot. Your life, it’s been Bigfoot. Mhmm. That’s interesting that it’s happened that that came out in the fifties.

Bob Antone [00:19:07]:

Yeah. And then on December 30, 18 85, there was a John McIntyre, and this this was in Lebanon, Oregon. And they came across a wild man that looked like John. Now John had gone missing, but 2 hunters came around the corner, and they saw this wild man now covered in hair,

Scott Cowan [00:19:29]:

but

Bob Antone [00:19:29]:

it looked like John’s face.

Scott Cowan [00:19:31]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:19:31]:

And it’s almost like John McIntyre transformed into something else. So that’s a very strange story. And he was devouring a deer carcass, and, he was lost. John McIntyre was lost since 18/81. So there’s another little slice of life there. That’s pretty interesting.

Scott Cowan [00:19:51]:

That is that’s very interesting. Yeah. It makes me think of other things, which I’ll maybe circle back to later. Okay. So we’ve these have been documented since the 1800.

Bob Antone [00:20:02]:

Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [00:20:06]:

And even though we’re just exploring Washington state, you mentioned all the way up to Alaska, so I’m gonna assume you’re talking about British Columbia as well. What in in your records and what you’ve been able to research, what’s the farthest east that we’ve had a documented, encounter or, you know, an event?

Bob Antone [00:20:30]:

So do you mean east in in, like, North American continent?

Scott Cowan [00:20:33]:

Yeah. North American.

Bob Antone [00:20:35]:

Oh, yeah. They’re every corner of this continent.

Scott Cowan [00:20:38]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:20:38]:

So as far east as you can go, absolutely, the the East Coast is full of of sightings.

Scott Cowan [00:20:43]:

Oh, it is. Okay. So so this some some misconception I’ve always had is what was the northwest thing. Okay. So

Bob Antone [00:20:49]:

Well, let me clarify. The the statistics of sightings

Scott Cowan [00:20:53]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:20:54]:

Are more so in Washington state, than any other place. So we are number 1.

Scott Cowan [00:21:02]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:21:03]:

And Oregon, you know, nearby in Idaho and that kind of thing, Northern California, also a lot of sightings. But according to data, number 1, Washington state, that also applies to UFO sightings. We’re number 1.

Scott Cowan [00:21:15]:

I’m going to Mhmm. I’m gonna propose a hypothesis here that we can ponder.

Bob Antone [00:21:21]:

Okay. Could

Scott Cowan [00:21:23]:

it be the hallucinogenic properties of coffee that we’re all consuming here? I’m kidding. I’m just curious. I mean, Washington state, I mean, I wonder, do you have a, do you have a theory on this? Why, why Washington states?

Bob Antone [00:21:42]:

Both both

Scott Cowan [00:21:43]:

for Sasquatch Bigfoot and and UFOs? I mean, this is interesting to me.

Bob Antone [00:21:48]:

Yes. We do have some theories about that.

Scott Cowan [00:21:50]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:21:51]:

And they’re definitely not conspiracy theories. They are theories.

Scott Cowan [00:21:55]:

Okay. Okay.

Bob Antone [00:21:56]:

That’s a joke. Sorry. I don’t know. Yeah, we have some ideas. So what’s interesting and just just to say, you know, factually that there are many things here that we don’t understand. And there are histories here. There’s deep and ancient history here in Washington state that isn’t quite understood. You know, in this area, history was recorded orally.

Bob Antone [00:22:22]:

You know, there are petroglyphs. There are things that were written down in stone. But there are there is so much that has occurred in this area that we don’t currently know about or understand. And so that being said, there is an ancient connection that I was made aware of. And this kind of came with conversations with my wife, too, because she is tribal. She has relations up in Canada. But also I had a guest staying at our house. This was back in 2009.

Bob Antone [00:22:59]:

He was a carver, a woodcarver, and originally from, Heidelberg, Alaska. He was a 5th generation totem pole carver, Haida tribe. But he spent a lot of time in Washington State. He worked. He worked as a scientist, actually. And he was part of the Space Shuttle program. He was one of the engineers of the Space Shuttle. And they were based in Redmond, Washington.

Bob Antone [00:23:29]:

And his name is Ralph Bennett, very, very intelligent gentleman, very talented woodcarver, and he is whole blood Haida Native American. Amazing guy. But he also had knowledge of Sasquatch, and we sat down on a few occasions and more than a few and talked about the world of Bigfoot. And one of the things that he told me, which always stuck with me and led us to do the research, that that we’ve done. He said that whenever children are in danger or being abused or whenever innocence is in danger, whether that be a man, a woman, a child, that these beings, the saskets, the benevolent form will show themselves. And so I was like, wow, this and this information is coming from, you know, his his background. You know, this is this is what his elders told him. But he he was also speaking for the state of Washington.

Bob Antone [00:24:32]:

He was also speaking for the the general area, and he he’s still alive. And he’s well acquainted with, you know, all of, you know, most all of the tribes here in this area. So he was he was speaking in general for this area for Washington state. And I was like, wow. Oh, my gosh. So that that always stuck in my head. And then I started thinking, wow. So when children are in danger or when innocence is in danger or when murders are happening or when people are kidnapped or.

Bob Antone [00:25:06]:

And then all of a sudden a light bulb went off. And we started to research the possibility that wherever there was a murder or serial killers have been active, that potentially there would be nearby Bigfoot sightings. And what we came across was astounding and amazing. So, there’s apparently a connection.

Scott Cowan [00:25:38]:

So that’s that is how you got onto the thread of the potential connection is Yes. Is this conversation with this gentleman who okay.

Bob Antone [00:25:48]:

Alright. That’s one conversation.

Scott Cowan [00:25:51]:

But that that that started you, dare I say, you know, down the rabbit hole. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yep. Well so I have a I have a couple questions here, and and I think you’re Okay. You know, this one might lead us into something, and one’s gonna maybe wrap up something here. So the question I have is, once again, I joked about it being the hallucinogenic effects of coffee, why we have so many sightings.

Scott Cowan [00:26:18]:

But the other thing here is we, Washington state does have a well documented history of paranormal sightings and odd, quote unquote, odd things, not just not just Sasquatch, but, like you said, UFOs or or maybe a lake creature in Lake Chelan. I, you know, there’s there’s other things, but we also have a, and this is the grizzly side of it. We also seem to have a higher than normal serial killer. I don’t know what what sort I’m looking for. Higher higher than normal serial killers. Not something that we should be, like, is the tagline of the state. And if they’re if they’re interconnected in some way, once again, my brain goes to why? Why why is this? Why why do we have this preponderance of these hard to define creatures and then behavior by humans that are, it’s hard to hard to, for me, it’s hard to imagine why somebody would do something like that. So do you have any, any thoughts there?

Bob Antone [00:27:31]:

Well, I I don’t wanna I don’t wanna speak for my wife, but since she’s not here in the interview, she’d give me permission. It’s fine. You can trust me. That’s yeah. Her, excuse me, her tribe, Dene. This is an example. But the story goes that in ancient times, there was an agreement made between the world of the Nahanni. Now up there in the north, they call Sasquatch Nahanni and the world of the human beings, and they would look out after each other.

Bob Antone [00:27:59]:

So if the world of the human beings in, say, the village of Fort Lyard where my wife is from and her family is from, someone was in danger, the Nahanni would appear. And there’s also another form called the Nukluk, n u k l u k, which is a smaller form of Bigfoot, also a guardian that shows up when the human beings are in danger. So similarly here in Washington, there the stories are. You know, and people can scoff at. I don’t know. I really don’t care. I just I want to honor the ancient stories. They they made an agreement to protect the world of human beings and to watch out after the people of the village.

Bob Antone [00:28:42]:

So these these beings will show up. I have a very specific serial killer connection with Bigfoot that folks can look up again, and don’t hate me because I’m going to Northern California again.

Scott Cowan [00:28:54]:

But Oh, man. Come on. No. I’m just kidding.

Bob Antone [00:28:56]:

So Corey Stayner, so c o r e y s t a y n e r, he was a serial killer in the Yosemite Park area, and he would actually use now this is really bizarre. He would actually use Bigfoot stories to lure women, but he also claimed to have a lifetime of encounters with Bigfoot. So he was partially using his encounters, the storytelling to bait young women and then kill them. But he also claimed and his family claimed that he he complained of encounters with Sasquatch in the woods, and he had been fantasizing about murder since he was a child. So in his childhood, he was he was coming face to face with Sasquatch. So, wow. I mean, this is this. You can look this up.

Bob Antone [00:29:52]:

This is very well documented. Very well documented.

Scott Cowan [00:29:55]:

What time period was this?

Bob Antone [00:29:58]:

Gosh, I want to say the nineties. I know there’s a I know there’s a documentary on either Netflix that came out

Scott Cowan [00:30:05]:

a few

Bob Antone [00:30:06]:

years ago, and I believe it was the nineties, early 2000. So modern

Scott Cowan [00:30:09]:

modern history, if you will. It’s not Yes.

Bob Antone [00:30:12]:

Okay. Alright.

Scott Cowan [00:30:12]:

Yeah. Yep. Although, now that I say that’s the nineties or 30 years ago, but anyway.

Bob Antone [00:30:19]:

Yep. Now here’s another bizarre one. K? So there there’s one really specific link up. Okay?

Scott Cowan [00:30:26]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:30:26]:

So on January 27, 1976, at Olali State Park, where we had our Bigfoot walking tour

Scott Cowan [00:30:36]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:30:36]:

There were footprints found along the Snoqualmie River, and they were in the sand. And there were 2 gentlemen. 1 of them was from the French family. It’s a local family. They were using a metal detector looking for coins and, you know, whatever. They came across this series of footprints that were very mysterious, and they led for about a half a mile and they followed these footprints. Well, the same time that this came out, this is bizarre. But in Detroit, Michigan, the Bigfoot killer was apprehended on the same day.

Bob Antone [00:31:13]:

Now I know you’re thinking Detroit, Michigan. Wait. Washington, Detroit? What? But on the same day in the media, the footprints found along the Snoqualmie River made it all across the world. There were Bigfoot hunters that came from everywhere Canada, and they they came to North Bend. They started setting up tents, and that came out on January 27th, the same day in Detroit, Michigan, a mysterious, well, it was a suspect. It was a Bigfoot killer. They called him the Bigfoot killer because he had abnormally large feet. And so one of the ladies that escaped being killed reported to law enforcement that the assailant had very large feet.

Bob Antone [00:31:56]:

Now, there was only 1 guy in town who had abnormally large feet who fit the description. And so he was apprehended on January 27th. Now he was he was let go because there wasn’t enough evidence, but in a spiritual way. Well, I wanted to point that out on that same day. Isn’t that strange? That’s just one of many synchronicities, if you will. So we have some more that are very much they’re more specific as well. So please ask away. You’ve got tons of questions, I’m sure.

Scott Cowan [00:32:29]:

I’m just overwhelmed at the moment. Okay. I’m just, and that’s not a, not a bad thing. That’s just kind of like a, you know, what’s that? What’s that gift that you see the meme where the guy’s going, you know, making his head explode.

Bob Antone [00:32:42]:

Yeah. Mine blow.

Scott Cowan [00:32:43]:

That’s kind of where I’m at right now. I I still I mean, it’s still it’s so intriguing to me that Washington state has more of this than other areas. It’s just it’s like, you know, to quote the Olympia beer, it’s the water. I mean, what is it? What is it about our region that is it is it that these these creatures would be more prevalent here? Is it, you know, is it the is it the traffic? No. Is it the, is it the, is it the wet green environment, the woods, the abundance of forest? Is it, what is it that, and I’m not asking you to answer this. I mean, this is just a rhetorical question. It’s like, what is it? And, and I, you know, I want to oversimplify this and make it a thing. The thing is this, and I, and I don’t think that’s never going to happen here, but.

Scott Cowan [00:33:43]:

But that’s where my brain’s going is I’m trying to like pin it on some specific it’s the water type answer.

Bob Antone [00:33:52]:

I do have some things to say, and I’m gonna save it for the very end. I’m a I have some kind of more revelations. Okay. But if you don’t if you don’t mind, we did kind of a history of Sasquatch. We did a history of Bigfoot. Now let’s do a history of serial killers in Washington a little bit. Let’s just talk about that. Okay?

Scott Cowan [00:34:09]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [00:34:10]:

And I know that one of the killers is a little personal to you, and I will be very careful,

Scott Cowan [00:34:15]:

very respectful. You’re good.

Bob Antone [00:34:17]:

Okay. Alright. So I was born in in, January of 1974. Now what’s interesting is mister Ted Bundy started his killing spree in January of 74. Mhmm. That’s right when he began. Now, of course, for the first, gosh, several years, you know, they didn’t have a suspect. You know, all they knew were women were disappearing from colleges, including University of Washington.

Scott Cowan [00:34:46]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:34:47]:

And there was one young lady that disappeared from Central in Ellensburg, and people were on edge. And it was a very, very scary time. And I talked to some of law enforcement and also some of the journalists from the time that Snoqualmie Valley record. And they told me that the summer of 1974, during just the basic parade and everything, everyone was on edge. People were packing heat. They were looking everywhere at suspicious individuals, you know, at the Friday night dance, the teen dance. You know, there were law enforcement everywhere because what happened was at Lake Sammamish, 2 young girls disappeared in the same day and their friends turned around and they had vanished. And then another one vanished.

Bob Antone [00:35:35]:

And everybody was just freaking out, just so, so scared, so scared. And it wasn’t for it wasn’t for a few more years after that that finally, you know, they had a suspect, you know, and we all know it’s well documented and and all that. The thing about it is that Ted Bundy’s childhood at home is reported to be possessed by evil spirits. And the reason that comes up is during the remodeling, the contractors reported in the basement. Messages were written in the dust and in the window. Help me, help me, help me. There were no footprints leading to that window. When you’re doing construction, dust goes everywhere, right? There is no evidence of anyone walking up goes everywhere, right? There is no evidence of anyone walking up to that window, just a fingerprint, you know, writing the word helped me in the window in the basement.

Bob Antone [00:36:28]:

Very frightening things crashing, moving around poltergeist like activity in that childhood home. It is also said a lot of people say that everywhere that Ted, had been, there’s a residue. You know, there are people in the paranormal community that talk about this sort of residue, this evil presence that lingers in the physical locations where he either abducted women or, you know, carry out his murders or, you know, gravesites, etcetera. So the childhood home is a great example. So I grew up in the time in the first six months of my life where this whole Puget Sound area, Seattle area was just on edge. And, yeah, would you like to share a little bit? I know it’s a tender thing, but you mentioned a connection. And I’d really like to hear that story again about your about your life and your connection there.

Scott Cowan [00:37:23]:

One of the the victims that Ted Bunny confessed to, and in my understanding of the story is that it was the, last victim that he confessed to prior to his execution was a woman by the name of Georgeann Hawkins. And the person that was interviewing Ted, I believe was an investigator that had probably been involved in Bundy’s situation for a number of years. And this person reportedly said that that what Ted Ted described was the most gruesome thing that he had ever heard in all of his years of being, you know, involved in crime and murder investigations. Well, Georgeann Hawkins parents, were Tacoma, lived in Tacoma, and Georgeann’s father was my dad’s boss. So I was born in 62, and so I was 12 years old or so, you know, preteen, early teens. And I would go to work with my dad. And I just remember, as I wanna be diplomatic when I say this, but my dad was never a big fan of his boss. They just, they, they just didn’t get along very well.

Scott Cowan [00:38:28]:

There was always friction there. So I probably, as a kid, probably picked up on that friction and probably took my dad’s side. And so I’m not trying to say that this guy was a bad guy or a good guy. I just just kind of came at it from the angle that was my dad’s boss, and he was he wasn’t a cool guy. But what I do remember very clearly is when George Ann Hawkins turned up missing, this man’s world was destroyed and shattered. He became a shell of a human being and ended up retiring and, having health issues and all this. But it was it was it was tragic to watch the impact of Ted’s actions, not just on the victim, which is horrible, but maybe the maybe the victim got off easier because once they were dead, they didn’t have to live it anymore, and the families carry this on. And, so that’s my that’s my connection to, to to this this topic.

Scott Cowan [00:39:29]:

And it always makes me a little uneasy to to talk about the guy because it’s just it was, you know, like, you were an infant. I was preteen. And, yeah, that that that summer was creepy. I mean, everybody was on edge across the the Puget Sound region. Everybody was on edge and wondering what was gonna happen next. And if if anything happened, did it relate to this per that time we didn’t know it’s Ted. But, anyway, it was very, very surreal time to be here in our area.

Bob Antone [00:40:02]:

Yes. And then, you know, eventually, as you know, Ted was apprehended in Florida, and, you know, he was then behind bars, and he he never escaped again after that, after he was apprehended the last time.

Scott Cowan [00:40:13]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:40:13]:

So and then we have someone appearing on the scene, in the early eighties that kind of took Ted’s place and took it to a whole another level, and that would be Gary Ridgeway. Of course, we didn’t have his name for many, many years, until finally they apprehended him. But Gary Ridgeway was I mean, and we’re talking about the same area. So we’re talking I ninety. You have Issaquah. So Ted Bundy’s dump site, High Point Way, there were 2 bodies found there. And then there’s Taylor Mountain where there were 4 bodies, discovered on Taylor Mountain. That was a gravesite there.

Bob Antone [00:40:47]:

And that’s Highway 18, just, almost to Hobart Hobart area, Issaquah. And then so the Green River Killer would come up Highway 18, the same path Ted Bundy, you know, was haunting the same area. He would come up to Snoqualmie Ridge. And before then, it was not, you know, a housing development. It was just wooded area, warehouser land. And there are multiple spots where he would dump bodies. There were a few bodies dumped at the McDonald’s location near there to the south of the McDonald’s along I 90 exit 31. And then if you go further, guess what? Exit 38.

Bob Antone [00:41:27]:

There were 4 bodies dumped there, right where we have our Bigfoot walking tour. It’s right there, Garcia gravel pit. And that brings me to another story, about Ted Bundy. This is this is like a crazy overlap. Are you ready? This is gonna be a crazy bumpy ride. So here we go. So I had a we got a message from a young woman. Well, she was young at the time.

Bob Antone [00:41:54]:

This this was a few years ago. This was summer of 74. She was discussing her father who owned a company and was up at Garcia Gravel Pit. Again, exit 38 right there at Lolli State State Park. There was a gravel pit. And in 1974, the summer of 1974, he was loading trucks. His company was, you know, excavating and loading trucks and distributing gravel, you know, all over the place. He was waiting on his lunch break.

Bob Antone [00:42:22]:

He was 2 trucks had left. He was waiting for them to return. He was going to load them again. And it was lunchtime. And suddenly up to his right, he saw this figure coming out of the brush. And this figure came down the hillside, and he thought, wow, is that one of my employees? You know, did they did they fall asleep, you know, or something, and they woke up suddenly and he thought, why are they wearing a ski jacket? What what is that all about? And because they were puffy and big and they why is it in the summer day? You know, why is he wearing a ski jacket or ski pants? Came down to the middle of the gravel pit. And, no, it wasn’t it wasn’t ski gear. It wasn’t a ski jacket.

Bob Antone [00:42:59]:

It was fur. And whatever this was, turned around and looked straight at him. And he realized, oh, my God, this is a Bigfoot or this

Scott Cowan [00:43:07]:

is a

Bob Antone [00:43:08]:

sasquatch. He stared eye to eye with this creature. They made direct eye contact, and he’s just sitting in his truck just shaking, shaking. Right. And so finally, he got up enough nerve. He rolled down his window and he he peeked out the window and he tried to communicate. He shouted or did a few things. And this this being, this this creature or whatever, made a few grunting noises and then just scrambled up the hill from where it came from, like just went back up into the woods.

Bob Antone [00:43:35]:

Now, here’s the deal. 2 weeks later, his daughter. Where was she at? Lake Sammamish. What day was she there? It was the day when the 2 girls went missing. And there was a gentleman that had a slinger on his arm and came up and was like, hey, can you help me at my car? And she was one of the ladies. There were more than one young girls that day that didn’t buy his story and said, no, I’m not going to help you. She was one of those. So she nearly was kidnapped that day.

Bob Antone [00:44:05]:

This gentleman’s daughter. And she’s the one that sent us the message. And it’s mind blowing. So that brings us back to. Okay. So if these beings are supernatural, yes. If they guard the innocent, yes. Do they also see the future? Can they travel back and forth in time? Now I know I’ve taken it to the next level.

Bob Antone [00:44:28]:

But are they, you know, are they able to see the future? Are they clairvoyant? Did this creature know that this gentleman’s daughter was going to be at Lake Sammamish and be in danger? And what’s so interesting is that at the same place where this creature came down, Garcia gravel pit, that is the exact location that Gary Ridgeway dumped 4 bodies later. Later. So what’s this whole thing about time travel? That’s just that blows my mind. We’ve got a lot of examples like that.

Scott Cowan [00:45:02]:

So Okay. So so first off, the game I the game I’ve been playing all along with this topic is checkers. You’ve been talking chess and now you just went to 3-dimensional chess on me. Okay. I just, I can’t, I can’t keep up. I’ve just, I’ve just, I’m tapping out. Okay.

Bob Antone [00:45:24]:

Are you serious?

Scott Cowan [00:45:25]:

Okay. No. No. I’m not serious. I’m just like, I I’m not I got nothing for you. That’s that the yeah. I what I didn’t plan for was how much my brain was gonna hurt during this conversation is I’m thinking through everything. Wow.

Scott Cowan [00:45:39]:

Okay. That’s that’s mind blowing. Yeah. I just okay. So help me out because I don’t I don’t remember Ridgeway’s story. I mean, I do and I don’t. When was when was Ridgeway finally apprehended?

Bob Antone [00:46:03]:

It was in the 2000. I know it was in the 2000. It was not the nineties.

Scott Cowan [00:46:07]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:46:08]:

So there were other serial killers in the area that were mistaken for Ridgeway. And for instance, my uncle Joe found a severed hand at Echo Lake, which is right there, at the in inner, the junction of Interstate 90 and Highway 18. There’s a place called Echo Lake.

Scott Cowan [00:46:28]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:46:28]:

It’s a it’s a bottomless lake. Anyway, it’s it’s very interesting. It goes to an underground, tunnel, system of water, aqueducts

Scott Cowan [00:46:37]:

and

Bob Antone [00:46:37]:

all that. So, aquifer, excuse me. And it’s connected to Cedar Lake. So my uncle lived there, and he came home from work one day. And he went to the back sliding glass door and he looked in the dog dish and there was a hand in the dog dish. And he thought his son, who was working on his van out in the driveway, was playing a joke on him, a practical joke. So he went down and he picked up the hand.

Scott Cowan [00:47:04]:

He’s like, oh, I’m so scared.

Bob Antone [00:47:05]:

And he picked up the hand, and he realized when he got close, you know, to his face, he could smell the rotting flesh of this actual human hand, dropped it, you know, vomited everywhere, you know, ran over to the phone, called 911, you know, called the police, the police called the FBI. And, you know, the Green River Task Force was was there, you know, and they they went into the woods and they they recovered not 1, but 2 and 3 bodies. There were there were more than 1 victim in the woods. And so they at that time thought that was the Green River killer. It turned out not to be the Green River killer. So there there are more than just oh, my god. I know it’s it’s crazy, but, what happened was they said, keep your eyes peeled. Not literally.

Bob Antone [00:47:51]:

God, that’s kinda disturbing. I was just imagining a a paring knife peeling someone’s eyeball. Oh,

Scott Cowan [00:47:56]:

okay. I know. Okay.

Bob Antone [00:47:59]:

Hey. Okay. Anyway, so he said, you know, like, keep keep an eye out for anything suspicious. And so, yeah, another day, he came home from work and there was a van parked, a creepy van parked by the entrance to Echo Lake, the development, the area there. And he just had a gut feeling that something was wrong. So he this was a month after the severed hand was found in the dog dish. His dog, Mongo, had driven, you know, drug out of the woods. I want to clarify that part.

Bob Antone [00:48:25]:

Anyway, so the law enforcement came. They surrounded the van. There were 2 gentlemen, and I say gentlemen very loosely, were inside of the van, and, they found DNA evidence that connected them not only to the victim, the woman, that the severed hand belonged to, but other victims and the remains that were found in the woods around Echo Lake. Now this is not Gary Ridgeway, but, yes, these folks were from Tacoma. And so there’s an example of, you know, some of the confusion that the the task force had to deal with because there were more than one killer, you know, and they can’t tell which is which sometimes, and there’s still cold cases out there. So

Scott Cowan [00:49:10]:

How did Ridgeway end up getting caught?

Bob Antone [00:49:13]:

Oh my gosh. I know that he worked at Kenworth Trucks. And, gosh. You know? I don’t know everything, so I’m sure it’s well documented.

Scott Cowan [00:49:25]:

I’m I’m I’m Yeah. Yeah. I’m pretty sure we could go do a quick, you know, newspaper search and figure it out. I was just curious. So why, what theories do you, are you working on in your head that about the preponderance of serial killers in our area? You got any any

Bob Antone [00:49:48]:

Okay. Well, it was explained to me that, you know, coming back from Vietnam, this is one possible reason. A lot of people came back from the Vietnam War, and there, I remember in the seventies eighties, there were so many Vietnam veterans with PTSD and mental illness, Mhmm. You know, in the Washington area, there it was, like, records, you know, just lots of people living in the woods. And so the other the other component so mental illness following, you know, war veterans, you know, there’s there’s that. And so the breakdown of family, that’s one possible. I’ve heard people say that before to explain serial killers in Washington. And then the other one is, we have, you know, there are some areas where there it’s very dark.

Bob Antone [00:50:41]:

So it’s just very seasonally, like, just gloomy and dark. And, you know, I don’t really have any answers per se. But, I just think mental illness is is prevalent. And I’m sure there’s somebody out there who’s way more qualified than than I am to really point out specifics, but I believe that, yeah, there’s there’s just a lot of mental illness that lead to these kind of things. But if you wanna talk about it in a spiritual way, I think people, even Ted Bundy talked about this. People, get into things that they shouldn’t. They become addicted to things. And in this case, it was pornography, and then it led to, you know, other perversions that got even more extreme and included violence and acts of violence.

Bob Antone [00:51:30]:

And I think there’s something in our society where we indulge, you know, and people indulge and they they become hooked and they don’t realize how how poisoning whatever that is, whatever that activity is to their soul. And it takes them down a dark path. And I think it has to do with a transition in society too. So, you know, if you think about the 19 seventies, there was a lot of, there was a lot of transitioning in this, you know, in society and in in roles, you know, like just family structure, you know, men and women and, and there were a lot of civil rights and just changes in general. And so maybe some of the serial killers came out of, you know, just this leftover transition and also, you know, people that just had unresolved issues. So that’s that’s my best guess. And I really, I really don’t have the answers on that. What do you think?

Scott Cowan [00:52:24]:

Well, I do I do think a lot of it is, mental illness. Yes. But also attributed to the, decay of American society in based on, you know, like you said, or I’ll call it over consumption of anything, you know, people tend to fixate on on something, whether it be pornography or or, you know, movies. It doesn’t matter. We just American society and I’m painting and I’m throwing us all under the bus equally here and painting with a big brush. But, you know, if one is good, 10 must be better. So, you know, I mean, we’re one of the few countries in the world that I’m aware of that, you know, we like to go to places where it’s all you can eat versus good, good food. We want, you know, 27 chicken McNuggets instead of a good piece of chicken.

Scott Cowan [00:53:16]:

And so I think when people begin to overindulge in something, whether it be a substance or media and they lose control, then it’s hard to get them back. And if they’re not, if they’re not seeking assistance, then we don’t know until it’s too late what they’re doing. You know, and so I think that that’s kind of part of it. It I do think I know how my mood is impacted when it’s gray and rainy and dreary. And so there’s parts of and I’m not trying to make fun of Seattle or Tacoma or anything, but, you know, it’s it’s gray and rainy and dreary there to me now, and it used to bother me. I mean, I used to from October I joked, you know, from October to September, I was depressed, that, you know, the 3 beautiful days of summer were, were happy. But no, I mean, it’s gray. It’s dreary.

Scott Cowan [00:54:14]:

And it’s 11/21 because I hit my watch. I don’t know if anyone could hear that, but I just did. Anyway, it’s just, I think, you know, there’s seasonal aspects to this too. I it’s an incredibly complex issue that you and I are not going to, begin to scratch the surface of. But I think it is it is part of the fabric of of our area of our region. It just it just absolutely is. So I’m gonna throw you off because we weren’t gonna talk. This is not something we were going to bring up, but I’m going to share something that happened to me on Thursday because I don’t know what I saw.

Scott Cowan [00:54:52]:

I mean, let’s just put it that way. So, and so w was it because it was in the sky. I’ll say it was in the UFO. So on Thursday, I had to go down to, Mapton, Washington, which is between Yakima and Tri Cities. And as I was driving back from Mapton on Highway 84, I was coming over the Manasthash Ridge out of Ellensburg. Are you familiar with that? Okay.

Bob Antone [00:55:14]:

Absolutely. 100%.

Scott Cowan [00:55:16]:

And so as I was driving, and it was it was now getting quite, you know, dark, twilight to dark, up in the air, there were these lights, and it looked like, well, I couldn’t tell what it was, but there was a a a string like, I’ll call it a string of lights, and then below it were smaller lights. So it was like a I thought what I thought it was was a drone that had been lit up and was it had some payload below it that it was carrying. Right? I don’t know. Couldn’t tell what it was. Couldn’t see clearly enough, but so I just yeah. Okay. Whatever. It’s a drone.

Scott Cowan [00:55:50]:

I don’t care. Now I was on Manastas Ridge. So then I got on to 90 and I went out to Quincy. So I went to George. I was heading East. Okay. Now I’m doing 60, 70 miles an hour, following the speed limit. I knew everyone I wasn’t speeding or doing anything wrong.

Scott Cowan [00:56:06]:

I was just driving to hands at 10 and 2. I’m kidding, but you but I went east, and then I went, from George. I go up north on the the highway to Orange Quincy, and then I go into Wenatchee. And that thing was on my periphery the entire ride once I noticed it. And it was, I mean, it just seems very weird. It wasn’t, it didn’t have any blinking lights. It wasn’t like it was an aviation, you know, like a helicopter or, but it was keeping, I’m not saying it was following you, but it was keeping pace with my vehicle. So it was doing, you know, 50, 60 miles a minute.

Scott Cowan [00:56:43]:

It was following the wind. I don’t know, but to tie this in here, why do you think our area has more UFO sightings? What, what is it? Because what little I know about UFOs, I think of area 51, you know, I think of Roswell and I don’t think about us in this region, but I think you said in our first episode, I don’t know if we recorded this or not, but you talked about some guys in commencement bay in Tacoma. Mhmm. Okay. Putting it, you know, totally throwing under the bus here. Why do you think our region has, as many UFO sightings as as we have?

Bob Antone [00:57:28]:

It’s not exactly throwing me under the bus. Glad to answer that. My opinion, And then if you look at, again, the ancient stories of the area, they talk about star beings, and visitors have been coming here forever. You look at the ancient legends. There are sightings around volcanoes as well. So you have Mount Adams. You have Mount Baker, Mount Rainier. And there’s all there have always been orbs of light seen.

Bob Antone [00:57:54]:

And up to this day, there’s even a group called, the city ranch that position themselves to look at Mount Adams, and they supposedly communicate with, beings that show themselves. Lights come and go from the mountain, and sometimes they even hover over the camp. They call it East City Ranch. And, yeah, and and as you know, Mount Adams is on the Yakima reservation. Lots of mysterious activity over mountains, orbs of light in our hometown here. We’ve had we had a major encounter over Mount Sinai in the sixties witnessed by, you know, the mayor’s family of that time, and and prominent people in town. And it was a a large orange blob of light that was over the mountain. And then, again, a friend of ours was at the base of, Snoqualmie Falls and just was there kind of at dusk, and then suddenly this large, blob of orange light came floating over the trees.

Bob Antone [00:58:59]:

So my opinion is that, these unidentified objects are not necessarily, from outer space.

Scott Cowan [00:59:08]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [00:59:09]:

They’re some of these things are, again, spiritual manifestations, and they are from ancient times, there are other things that we don’t quite understand there are there are beings and there are other worlds that coexist. And sometimes we see those other dimensions. This isn’t a UFO, but I can follow-up with something, in Yakima, which is very interesting, and this is, kind of similar. It’s a it’s a light phenomenon that I that I encountered. So a few years back, 2009, we were involved with Nike, and we were chaperoning youth to the Nike headquarters in in Beaverton, Oregon. I think it’s Beaverton, Oregon. Yeah. And they were designing shoes.

Bob Antone [00:59:54]:

Anyway, part of my, you know, job was just chaperoning and driving, you know, youth back and forth, and they were from different very, different reservations. Well, one young lady, did I tell you this story yet?

Scott Cowan [01:00:06]:

No. No. No. This is Okay. Yeah.

Bob Antone [01:00:09]:

So one young lady, she lived on the Yakima Reservation, and I was driving her home and the sun was setting. And we were on, that straight road that goes to Wapato. Wapato. Wapato. Yeah. And it was the straight highway there, and we were almost to her house. And all of a sudden behind us, there were car lights

Scott Cowan [01:00:30]:

and

Bob Antone [01:00:30]:

kind of mysterious lights, that came up behind us. And what is that? And so I looked in the rearview mirror and I could see a car and I could see headlights. And I thought, what is this guy doing? And I could kind of see a figure. And, the car behind us just started speeding up and almost like we wanted to ram our car. So I was going about, you know, 55 miles an hour, and this car is just revving and just, you know, charging us. So I had to speed up a little bit. I was at 60, and then the car kept speeding up. And then I was at 70, and the car kept speeding up.

Bob Antone [01:01:04]:

And it was like it was almost gonna ram our bumper. And the young lady beside me, she started to get really scared. She’s I could tell she was scared. We’re both very frightened. And, I could see the stop sign ahead of us where I could only go right or left. The the highway ended, you know, and I was gonna take a right, but I knew that I couldn’t keep going or I would go off into a ditch straight out. You know? And here I was going about 70, maybe 80 miles an hour. And all of a sudden, in a flash of light, this car behind us just absolutely vanished and just kind of it flashed upward.

Bob Antone [01:01:44]:

It flashed upward. Now I, you know, I slammed on the brakes, you know, and I pulled over. You know, I was just startled. It was just a reaction. We just pulled over, you know, dust and gravel, everything going everywhere. And, you know, she’s kind of crying a little bit, you know, and we’re just freaked out. So I assumed I assumed as any logical human being would probably assume that this person in a car behind us had lost control and had gone into the ditch, and I was expecting to see a fiery crash. I was expecting to see, you know, bodies.

Bob Antone [01:02:19]:

And I was expecting to see, you know, flames coming out in a in a car on fire in the ditch. So I got out of the car and I went over to the ditch and there was nothing there. Nothing. 0. So then I drove her home and she was still shaken up. And I asked her mom, I said, you know, we just had a really, really strange encounter. And she says, oh, yeah, that’s a ghost car. And we have a lot of those on that road.

Bob Antone [01:02:49]:

Those are people that that show themselves. These are people that died, you know, apparently, drunk driving accidents or whatever, but they’re phantom cars. Phantom cars. The thing that reminded me of of it is because when it did vanish, it almost vanished upward, like, up into the sky. That’s that was the connection that reminded me of, like, the UFO and what you were talking about following your car. So there you go. There’s another story. So

Scott Cowan [01:03:16]:

that’s bizarre. Okay. So here’s a here’s a question though. And and Mhmm. More it’s more of a well, it’s a yeah. What I’m what I am taking away from what you’re saying and what I’m taking away from things that I’ve read or seen in the past, which by no means am I trying to like, once again, I’m playing checkers. You’re you’re playing 3-dimensional chess over here, but it seems to me that I’m gathering this information and that it’s almost seems like a higher number of incidents are observed observed on tribal land. Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [01:04:04]:

Now that’s interesting to me. You just because you just described I’m not saying where you were was tribal land, but you were but have you ever drawn a correlation to that that there’s more of these events that are taking place on tribal what what what we would call tribal land now, which are one would argue that it’s all, but I’m Mhmm. As is you mentioned Mount Adams being on the Yakima. So I’m just I know that’s a very awkward

Bob Antone [01:04:41]:

No. That’s alright. No. I’d be glad to answer that. So if you look all over the world, and a good example would be Salisbury Plain, Stonehenge. That’s a place of ancient human, you know Mhmm. Existence civilization. There are orbs of light, as you know, seen in that area.

Bob Antone [01:05:00]:

There are orbs of light. The orbs of light thing, the balls of light thing happen anywhere on Earth where there is ancient history, whatever human being group you’re from. So that includes native people here. So if you’re near an ancient village site, an ancient burial site, just like in the UK, just like in England, just like in Vietnam, doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter. This orb phenomenon, these unidentified objects seem to correlate with ancient sites. Doesn’t matter what heritage you are. So you are correct. If it’s ancient Native America you know, of Washington state, it’s gonna be it’s gonna be there.

Scott Cowan [01:05:40]:

So Alright. Okay. Thank you for connecting that dot for me because you’re right. I’ve I’ve heard about the Stonehen stuff. There’s I’ve also, I believe, you know, up in in in Viking to older Viking territories and all that. Mhmm. Easter Island, things like that. Okay.

Scott Cowan [01:05:57]:

Alright. The Mayan. Okay. Alright. I hadn’t quite connected those dots before I spoke.

Bob Antone [01:06:05]:

Oh, no. You’re fine. Yeah.

Scott Cowan [01:06:07]:

See, this is just it’s it’s just it’s it’s just to me, it’s just mind boggling. I mean, let’s let’s just and, you know, we’re not gonna we’re we we you have just lightly, lightly, lightly scratched the the surface dust on the topic, and it’s it’s we could be here for days weeks and not getting through it all. And because I don’t think it’s possible to get through it. Yeah. Mhmm. Now it’s a time we’re recording. This is early March of 2023, and I like these episodes to to have a long shelf life. You know? So I don’t like to talk about, you know, what’s happening tomorrow because it wouldn’t might not be relevant the next day.

Scott Cowan [01:06:47]:

But in April, you are part of a a group giving a presentation. Correct?

Bob Antone [01:06:55]:

Yes. Mhmm. K. In Chehalis.

Scott Cowan [01:06:57]:

In Chehalis. Okay. In Chehalis. And I would like it if you would kind of disclose and share more of what that’s gonna be. And then what I’d also like to know is how did you get involved with this?

Bob Antone [01:07:12]:

Okay. So the Chehalis Bigfoot event, it’s going to focus on hoaxers. So today, when we were speaking in this interview, we focused on the real history or the

Scott Cowan [01:07:28]:

real

Bob Antone [01:07:28]:

culture, you know, where I consider it to be real. But in this case, it’s going to focus on hoaxers and famous hoaxers. Now, see, a lot of these Bigfoot events, they focus on the evidence and the real stories, and it’s great. I love that. But there’s not very many Bigfoot events that actually pick apart, you know, who are the hoaxers? How did they do it? It’s very important for people to understand the world of hoaxing and so that proper research can be done because a lot of times people that make up stories or they plant evidence to garner attention or money, they really screw it up for the real researchers. They really screw it up because, like, the real researchers have been working for 20 years just to get one shred of evidence. And then someone comes along and they create this this scenario and it creates all this buzz and attention and it discredits the Sasquatch community. So what’s going to happen on April 15th is we are going to as a group talk about those those people that make up stories and make it difficult for, you know, other people who are you know, wanna be taken seriously.

Bob Antone [01:08:40]:

So k.

Scott Cowan [01:08:42]:

And and so how no. When you told me before, though, your your what you’re gonna present, though, isn’t so much on hoaxing, but more on on research.

Bob Antone [01:08:56]:

Yeah. And we’re gonna my presentation is gonna be how to tell the difference between what’s a hoax and what is real. And so today, what I shared with you is, you know, from my heart, things that I really believe in.

Scott Cowan [01:09:09]:

Right.

Bob Antone [01:09:10]:

And, you know, all you know, I know it’s crazy. Some of it’s way out there. Mhmm. But we’re gonna talk about how, you know, some people have in the past have, you know, made footprints or, you know, made a film and created a buzz and, you know, and there are famous hoaxers connected to things that you would know about. But I don’t wanna give those things away.

Scott Cowan [01:09:32]:

I’m not asking you to. I’m just I’m not asking you to. Because here’s the thing here’s the thing, and, this is I’m gonna show you something which the audience isn’t gonna see. Okay. But you said you were born in 1974. I was born in 1962. Okay. If you and I were sitting down and having a conversation in 1980.

Scott Cowan [01:09:49]:

Okay. You’d have been 6 years old. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were well advanced for your age. Okay. I would have been, I would have been 18 years old.

Bob Antone [01:09:58]:

Okay.

Scott Cowan [01:09:59]:

And if I would have shown you this, this is my iPhone. Okay. Picture of my dog on the, on the screen. If I would have shown you this device, you wouldn’t have believed it to be true. Mind blowing. This device other worldly in 1980, never, never imagined. I mean, this was something star Trek, Right? Fantasy. And now we all have this device.

Scott Cowan [01:10:27]:

So I think when we don’t understand things, we tend to, oh, that’s bullshit. You know, whatever. I I don’t believe it because our brains just can’t comprehend it. Yet, if you look back in your lifetime

Bob Antone [01:10:41]:

Mhmm. That’s amazing. That is amazing. That’s a really good analogy there.

Scott Cowan [01:10:48]:

Because this is this your your your your kids have these. You have these. Well, I don’t know if you have more than 1, but you have a phone. You have a I’m I’m pretty sure you have a cellular phone that allows you to talk or text or record a video or take a picture. It does a myriad of things. I can tell what the weather’s going to be like, blah, blah, blah, all in the palm of my hand. And it’s commonplace. We understand it.

Scott Cowan [01:11:18]:

1980, that would have been fantasy. And people would say, oh, it’ll never happen to your father. So I’m trying to suppress my natural, disbelief and take because I’m not smart enough to understand this. I’m I’m just not. So I shouldn’t have an opinion because I’m not smart enough to have an opinion. I just have to admit that I don’t understand it and be okay with that. So this is fascinating to me because I don’t get it. I mean, I, I have never experienced anything like that.

Scott Cowan [01:11:52]:

Other than literally the other day where I saw these lights in the sky seemingly just floating around and it was, it was very I wish I would have taken a photograph of it, but, you know, I didn’t. And, you know, somebody might be hearing me describe this and go, oh, that guy’s crazy, which isn’t far from being accurate, but, you know, hey. Not because I see lights in the sky. But it’s just, I think we need to do a better job of listening and observing and not rejecting things so quickly, no matter what the topic is.

Bob Antone [01:12:29]:

Amen. Amen.

Scott Cowan [01:12:30]:

And I think this this area of interest that you have is is fascinating, and I I do believe that it’s also full of misinformation, just like every other topic of, you know, everything’s got misinformation. But I think there’s people out there that are hoaxing and and and trying to garner, you know, likes and thumbs ups and all that for social media purposes. So they feel like they’re important. But there is it’s been going on for so long. Mhmm. You you you we started this conversation with you referencing things from the 1800. We’re still seeing stuff today. Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [01:13:11]:

You know, there’s that old adage where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Sure. I would say that there’s something here. Whether we’ll ever understand it Mhmm. Or I don’t know.

Bob Antone [01:13:24]:

I can,

Scott Cowan [01:13:25]:

Yeah. But that doesn’t mean it’s not legit. You know, your whole point, what you’re talking about these orange these orange blobs of light, if you will. And you say time travel, which, of course, that just causes my head to just, like, you know, I just jammed the emergency brake on it. Cause I can’t get it. But, but the point is if, if time travel is a thing and we can figure out how to understand it, I have a feeling we would understand a whole lot more than just I mean, it would be mind blowing what we would what we’d get. Mhmm. So I

Bob Antone [01:14:06]:

have I have one more story, basically, an encounter that I had directly with with, what I think is Bigfoot. K. And and maybe this could be the the closing thing. So 1988, my friends and I were going to town. It was July. It was summertime, and we were gonna walk to North Bend, and we’re gonna get some treats, some snacks. You know, we were watching movies, that kind of thing. Mhmm.

Bob Antone [01:14:34]:

We turned on the Snoqualmie Valley Trail. Did I tell you this story yet?

Scott Cowan [01:14:40]:

No. You haven’t told me this story.

Bob Antone [01:14:41]:

This Okay. I just wanna make sure. I just wanna make sure.

Scott Cowan [01:14:43]:

Yeah. It’s all good.

Bob Antone [01:14:45]:

Yeah. So, it was about 10 o’clock at night, something like that, 9:30, 10 o’clock at night. So down the Mount Side Road, then we took a left down the Snoqualmie Valley walking trail used to be the Milwaukee Railroad. And I kid you not. Gosh, 20 feet in 20, 30 feet down the trail to the south. There was this large bodied object now looked like the size of a boulder. Look like just this dark object. Dark object.

Bob Antone [01:15:19]:

Maybe, you know, I would say 6 feet tall, and it was, like, 4 or 5 feet wide. Mhmm. And all of a sudden, there was this loud bellowing screech that came from this object. And I realized and I saw it move. It was something crouched down. It was something crouched down. Now, all 3 of us took off running, and it was just the most frightening moment. But I it’s burned in my memory.

Bob Antone [01:15:48]:

1988. And the thing is that the the sound that came out of this thing was very low.

Scott Cowan [01:15:56]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [01:15:56]:

It was very high at the same time. It was also very electric. It had, like, an electric shock feeling. So the sound kinda hit my body like a vibration, like an electric vibration, and it was just unnatural, unearthly. It was not anything that I’d ever experienced before. So it was very low, very high. And, again, it had kind of an electric shock to it, and all 3 of us went running. My friends that were with me, I never want to talk about that ever again.

Bob Antone [01:16:24]:

1 guy said my friend said, and he said, I heard similar things up Topol Road, and I don’t ever want you to bring this up ever again. And he was so scared. He was crying. And, you know, so the thing is, is years later, my wife and I were listening to, you know, we’re just listening to recordings of supposed Sasquatch, you know, vocalizations and sure enough, came across a recording and it was very similar to what I heard in 1988. So

Scott Cowan [01:16:51]:

Oh, wow.

Bob Antone [01:16:51]:

That’s that’s my, you know, that’s one of my other major encounters.

Scott Cowan [01:16:55]:

And Okay.

Bob Antone [01:16:57]:

Yeah. There you go. Right. That’s it.

Scott Cowan [01:17:00]:

Okay. I got a couple of questions.

Bob Antone [01:17:02]:

Okay. Maybe it’s on it.

Scott Cowan [01:17:03]:

Question number 1. Painting a scenario here. Now you you have to suspend your disbelief. You have to go along with my scenario. K. You get to meet I wanna say Bigfoot. You get to meet Bigfoot. Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [01:17:19]:

And Bigfoot can communicate with you clearly. K. What would the first question you ask Bigfoot? What would it be? Well, first

Bob Antone [01:17:29]:

of all, we’d be speaking in another language that would be very similar to, the indigenous languages. So if you become

Scott Cowan [01:17:37]:

I’m I’m I’m Yeah. Yeah. I’m anticipating a world where Google translate would work. No. All kidding aside. No, seriously, what would be if you were, if you came into the presence

Bob Antone [01:17:50]:

Mhmm.

Scott Cowan [01:17:50]:

In a benevolent manner and you

Bob Antone [01:17:54]:

could ask a question. Okay.

Scott Cowan [01:17:57]:

What would that question be for you?

Bob Antone [01:17:59]:

I’d say, do you wanna join us for dinner?

Scott Cowan [01:18:02]:

That’s not fair, but that’s a great answer because that opens up so many other questions you could have over dinner. So that’s why we give you a hard time. That’s a great question or or a great answer. Okay. I love that answer. I’m gonna okay. Well, then what would one serve Bigfoot?

Bob Antone [01:18:18]:

Well, it’s it’s interesting because we’ve we’ve collected another story from near Snoqualmie where a large bodied Bigfoot came out of the woods and and again, invisible Right. And ate a meal in front of multiple witnesses. They could hear this being, having a snack, eating, but could not see anything. Now, again, I’m gonna add something else that will make you understand why this was a ceremony. This was a traditional ceremony. So that could help you understand.

Scott Cowan [01:18:54]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [01:18:54]:

Yeah. I don’t wanna go into too much detail. No.

Scott Cowan [01:18:56]:

No. That’s fine. That’s fine. That makes sense to me. The author. Yeah. Right. Right.

Scott Cowan [01:18:59]:

Okay. No. See, to me, this would be I mean, think about this. If if you or I or anyone could be in the presence and it’s a a welcomed encounter, What would that question be? I mean

Bob Antone [01:19:12]:

What would you say? What would you ask?

Scott Cowan [01:19:14]:

Well, you know, I’m gonna have to piggyback on that. It’s like, I might say, do you wanna grab a cup of coffee? I mean, I would be something to extend the conversation. It wouldn’t be just, you know, it’s like the, the old thing we get 3 wishes. So you ask for 3 more. No. No. It would be, but it would be something to extend the conversation, to extend the time with this creature and to find out more so that my brain would put the pieces together. Okay.

Scott Cowan [01:19:48]:

To wrap up, normally I’d ask you about coffee. We’ve already asked you all about that. We know where you like to go for food and all those things are great. But if people are interested in this, where should they go to start learning more? Do you have any recommendations?

Bob Antone [01:20:03]:

Boy, I I really don’t. All I know is that everything everything that we have learned, we’re writing down, and we have extensive journals and documents that we’re saving. And and one day, those those documents will be, you know, public record, and they’ll be in, you know, some kind of archive and that kind of thing.

Scott Cowan [01:20:20]:

But Okay.

Bob Antone [01:20:20]:

As far as giving people recommendations, I really don’t know. There’s so much misinformation out there that it’s, you know, it’s wide open. It’s wide open. So, I I’m not gonna you know, like I said, okay. Here’s the here’s the important thing too. We did a previous interview. We talked about meeting a musician and a music teacher. So I don’t make a living off of Bigfoot.

Bob Antone [01:20:42]:

I just do it because I’m passionate about it. And so this even this lecture, you know, this is just a donation. The the proceeds go to the the Lewis County Museum.

Scott Cowan [01:20:51]:

Mhmm.

Bob Antone [01:20:52]:

This interview right here is just for fun. You know, I’m I love I love giving this information and just it’s so fun to talk about it. So, you know, I’m giving freely because I believe in it. I’m not selling it. But just so everybody knows, we do have records here. And, you know, I guess if someone reached out and wanted our material, like, I guess we could, you know, share whatever we have. If they’re doing, you know, legitimate research and we felt comfortable, we would do that. You know,

Scott Cowan [01:21:20]:

they could get a hold of

Bob Antone [01:21:20]:

us and that kind of thing.

Scott Cowan [01:21:21]:

But, there’s

Bob Antone [01:21:21]:

a lot online. I don’t I don’t I wouldn’t know where to start if I was gonna give someone a recommendation. I have no idea.

Scott Cowan [01:21:26]:

Okay. So Alright. Well, thank you. This, has made my head hurt in a good way.

Bob Antone [01:21:34]:

Good. Alright. In a

Scott Cowan [01:21:35]:

good way. No. No complaints in a in a good way. Gonna go back and, unpack this a little bit, and try to and I’m sure I’ll be calling you and saying, hey. I got questions. But this has been this is, yeah, this has been interesting. Beyond interesting, it’s been fascinating. And I, you know, I’m just keep doing what you’re doing.

Scott Cowan [01:21:59]:

That’s all I can say. It’s just you guys keep doing this. You keep keep looking and keep researching because you guys are doing so much. It’s not just this. I mean, you know, you you and your wife are doing so much. I don’t know. You know? Do you have have you figured out time travel? Do you got more than 24 hours in a day? How do you get it all done? I mean, you just, you’re doing so much.

Bob Antone [01:22:21]:

You know what? That’s a very good question. All I know is I I, I know that when I do something, in generosity, it seems to multiply. So, you know, we all, obviously, we all can’t volunteer our lives away. You know, we can’t. You know that for a fact. But when there’s a certain healthy level of generosity in your life Mhmm. It seems to multiply, and you seem to gain more. And so, yeah, that’s, that’s just a general rule, I guess.

Bob Antone [01:22:49]:

I’m not, I don’t have the secret to anything. I’m just, I’m just talking out of my whatever. It’s okay.

Scott Cowan [01:22:55]:

Okay. Well, do you I’ll leave you with the last word. You got anything you wanna close close this out with?

Bob Antone [01:23:02]:

Bigfoot is real and don’t, boy, what can I what else can I say? Laura, what else can I say? Other than Bigfoot is real. My wife’s right here.

Scott Cowan [01:23:20]:

Well, let’s let her have the last word.

Bob Antone [01:23:22]:

Yeah. Come on in. Hey, Laura. Come and have the last word. Here she come.

Scott Cowan [01:23:27]:

Okay.

Bob Antone [01:23:28]:

This is gonna get good. This is gonna be great. Last word. Yeah. So I said Bigfoot is real. And what do you wanna say? What do I wanna say? Just about life. It doesn’t have to be about Bigfoot. Know? Yeah.

Scott Cowan [01:23:40]:

What do

Bob Antone [01:23:40]:

you wanna what do you wanna tell the listeners? I haven’t had my coffee this morning.