Let’s Skate: Daniel Brown’s Cool Project to Support Kids in Washington State

**Skateboarding and a Heartwarming Mission**

Join us as we delve into Daniel Brown’s intriguing journey, where he combines a love for skateboarding and a desire to give back to the community through his project “Skateboards For All.” Daniel shares the inspiration behind his charity work and his vision for providing skateboarding gear to kids in need.

**A Heartfelt Mission to Empower Kids**

Discover how Daniel’s project, “Skateboards For All,” aims to make skateboarding a reachable and inclusive activity for all kids, providing them with access to the gear, education, and support they need. Daniel’s dream is to see kids in need find joy, empowerment, and a sense of community through skateboarding.

**Skateboarding, Coffee, and Community**

Explore Daniel’s multifaceted interests, from his love for skateboarding and hockey to his appreciation for the vibrant coffee culture in Seattle. Learn about his memorable experiences at local coffee spots and the impact of his first cup of coffee, Costa Rica Tres Rios, on his passion for the beverage.

**The Growth of Women’s Hockey**

Dive into the world of women’s hockey and its increasing popularity in the region, as Daniel shares heartwarming stories about his daughter’s journey into the sport and the vibrant camaraderie he finds within the women’s game. Learn about the positive impact of the Seattle Kraken and the creation of the Seattle Red Hawks team, combining the efforts of the Western Washington Female Hockey Organization and Seattle Juniors.

In conclusion, this episode featuring Daniel Brown serves as a testament to the deep-rooted connections between sports, community building, and philanthropy within the region. Thank you for tuning in to this episode.

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Episode Transcript

Hello, friends, and welcome to the exploring Washington State podcast. My name is Scott Cowan, and I’m the host

Scott Cowan [00:00:09]:

of the show. Each episode, I have a conversation with an interesting guest who is living in or from Washington Scott. These are casual conversations with real and interesting people. I think you’re gonna like the show. So let’s jump right in with today’s guest. I am sitting here today by myself, but on the other side of the screen is Daniel Brown. Daniel is a Former coworker of mine, I guess. We worked at the same big company for a while, but we shared a a a a friend, A good friend, Jim Hunger, who, you know, I miss very much.

Scott Cowan [00:00:46]:

He’s no longer with with us, but, Daniel, you and I have gone out and seen some live music around the Seattle area with Mister Hunger, kind of leading the, he was the ringleader of those type of events. Always Always introduce me to some really cool music, and you’re a music fan, but that’s not why we’re here today. Daniel, you are doing something that that I don’t know much about, but I saw it was really kinda cool. It’s got to do with skateboarding. So why don’t you introduce yourself, and let’s talk skateboarding and what you’re doing with

Daniel Brown [00:01:19]:

Alrighty. Yeah. And we did see some some great music together, and somebody should pick back up that invite list.

Scott Cowan [00:01:26]:

It’s cut off

Daniel Brown [00:01:27]:

during the lockdown, but it’s time to revive it.

Scott Cowan [00:01:31]:

Well, let me interrupt you then. I’m gonna interrupt you. What was what’s the have you been to any good Shows lately.

Daniel Brown [00:01:41]:

Let’s see. Bumbershoot with its return even though it was only 2 days. Uh-huh. Bomb Bamba Esterio was great. Saw another great local band or excuse me, another great, indie band Called, War Paint and another, and then Sleater Kenny came back. They have a new album out now, and so it was really Pretty cool to introduce my teenage daughter to that as well. She just basically went off and saw a bunch of bands. And we did too.

Scott Cowan [00:02:12]:

That’s cool. The last great show I’ve seen was, Christy McWilson And as the pickets and Dave Alvin was a special guest who showed up and played, Like, 4 or 5 songs with them, and it was at Slim’s last chance.

Daniel Brown [00:02:32]:

Man. I’m jealous.

Scott Cowan [00:02:33]:

That place was on fire. It was the the most energy. I got to I got to sit down and talk to Dave for a while, Before the show, Scott he autographed a book of that he wrote for me. And, to see Dave Alvin back up on stage was just like The and and with Christy McWilson’s you know, there’s just so much energy between the 2 of them. It was it was great.

Daniel Brown [00:02:58]:

Oh, yeah.

Scott Cowan [00:02:59]:

Slims was overcrowded. It was supposed to be an outdoor show, but it started Raiting that day, and so it was like, we’re all shoved into the little, you know, into Slim’s last chance, and it was place was on fire. So We at music, and you’re right, that invite list should be resurrected. I I I love that. Count me in next time there’s good music. We’ll come over for it. Now What got you going on the skateboard thing? Talk to us about this a little bit.

Daniel Brown [00:03:27]:

Alright. So 4 years old. We’re going way back here.

Scott Cowan [00:03:33]:

We’re going back.

Daniel Brown [00:03:33]:

4 years old. Go to my friend Travis’s house. He has a skateboard down in, in or near Olympia, and hop on it, immediately fall Cowan, and Skin my hip and cry and do all that caterwauling and then come back the next day, and I’m like, I gotta I gotta tame this thing. I’m, like, 4 years old. It was the first thing I really truly remember, and the joke is that I’ve been doing this almost as long as I’ve been breathing, walking, here running. But it was that moment where, okay, this is something I want to do, But I immediately failed at it. So started there, And it’s that’s kinda followed me throughout life, picking up complex things that, I wanna fail at so that I can learn about them. I still have my original skateboard, by the way.

Scott Cowan [00:04:33]:

Do you really?

Daniel Brown [00:04:34]:

Do do you ever ride it? I it’s rideable. I can. Yeah. It’s, So I’m a little over the weight limit probably it was designed for. Little plastic double kick 1976, I think, Free former board. Okay. And it still sits in my garage along with a bunch of other other things that I’ve accumulated through the years. But if you’re speaking specifically about the, about the skateboards for all, that was Sitting on a sitting on the couch during a summer day, during lockdown, and I’m like, should I read a book, or should I start A charity, and I decided the latter on that particular day.

Scott Cowan [00:05:24]:

That’s quite the quite the the debate. Read a book? Charity. Okay. Alright. So Skidmore’s For All? Besides being locked down, besides being a summer day, and besides you you didn’t have a book that caught your attention, what is the What’s the motivation? What was the the the spark that got you going with this? Why skateboards and Yeah. Why is why are skateboards the vehicle for this?

Daniel Brown [00:05:56]:

So there are plenty of books that caught my attention, including ones about Skateboarding, by the way. But the the, the impetus for it really was, there’s a gentleman by the name of Troy Nabacker who, I met through the stand up paddle boarding community who ran for years. A, nice graphic designer who ran for years, charity called Monster and Sea. And what he would do is pass the hat, gather up money. His wife had had cancer and come out of it, And he was inspired to pass the hat and give people whatever money he could get, no questions asked. Here’s an envelope. I know you’re fighting a battle. Here’s something to do.

Daniel Brown [00:06:46]:

So that was the of it, and they’ve been kinda bouncing around in my head for a while. Then there’s a gentleman named Craig Hanoumi, who’s a Hawaiian, who is a cop in Bellevue who uses skateboards as a way of outreach. And he skateboards with the kids and does all that stuff. And so between the 2 of them, I called them on that very summer day and said, hey. What do you guys think about this? And the reason it’s skateboarding and not something else, there are certainly many hobbies and things like that that I could use to, to to provide people that need them. But skateboarding is a one of those activities that it’s artistic expression. It doesn’t require coaches. It’s also a literal vehicle, not just a vehicle for those things.

Daniel Brown [00:07:45]:

Mhmm. So people can use it to get around, but there’s a lot of kids that can’t afford them. And then the other person I should give credit to is a gentleman by the name of Rodney Rodriguez, who, has the same thing going At a much larger scale in, my birth town of Fresno, California, and he’s given out some 3,000 boards To kids in need. And, so I asked him, hey, can I start a a chapter up here? He’s 5013 c. It’s like, not really. So I was like, okay. What do you suggest? And so all 3 of the people I just mentioned suggested, just be a good samaritan. Just See what you can get for cash, see what we can get for older donations.

Daniel Brown [00:08:30]:

They gave me advice. And so we started out with Getting used donated gear from people who wanted to walk in their seventies, unlike me, If I’m still on board. Right? And we we started there. Couple local shops, kicked in and still do kick in discounts or notified me when they have equipment, that I can pick up, and then I just act It’s a vehicle that’s distributed. So in effect, I get to live my teenage dream of having a bunch of skateboard gear in the house, And then I give it away.

Scott Cowan [00:09:07]:

That’s really kind of a cool story. I too fell off a skateboard, never got back on. They terrify me, man. I do not have the balance. I think they’re cool. I think a lot of things are cool. Like, motorcycles are cool. Once again, they’re not for Scott.

Scott Cowan [00:09:27]:

But you’re doing this. So what is the What’s the criteria? What what you you’re giving these away who and you’re targeting kids, but how how are you selecting them, and how do they How do you do outreach, and how do they find you? And and what’s the criteria for you to help them out with the board or with some gear?

Daniel Brown [00:09:50]:

The criteria right now is pretty much local. So local to the Seattle area. I started out, You know, the the title of it is skateboards for all because that’s the goal. Right? But Mhmm. What I found is that I was spending a lot of money shipping boards to Columbus, Ohio, and things like that. So I decided to focus locally k. And worked with, youth care here At the Orion Center down by, REI here in Seattle, a guy who I didn’t know I had a connection with, who’s a long time skateboarder as well, Eugene Quabb Copeland, who’s now working, I think, for the city of Seattle, the county. But he and I connected, and he was, like, oh, yeah.

Daniel Brown [00:10:35]:

We can always use boards. And so that gave me my channel to to get people. And that happened because I was in happenstance. I was buying gear for my daughter for Christmas up at 35th North on Capitol Hill. And he’s like, hey. We do stuff with these guys. They’d probably be interested in that. And so it’s just been connection after connection.

Daniel Brown [00:10:58]:

Some people I’ve known and hadn’t seen for years. But that’s really, how it is is that it’s, youth care, And there’s a company called KIND Kids in Need of Defense, and Jenna, is the name of a woman there that, Reached out because she saw Instagram posts and the site and said, hey. Can you help us out? And, and so we’re able to help her out as well

Scott Cowan [00:11:27]:

k.

Daniel Brown [00:11:28]:

And their clients.

Scott Cowan [00:11:28]:

To this To this point, how many boards have you, been able to give away?

Daniel Brown [00:11:36]:

Probably in the neighborhood of about 170.

Scott Cowan [00:11:42]:

Wow. Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:11:42]:

I haven’t counted. I haven’t been keeping a strict count the last couple of times. Just get what I can and give it out. But somewhere in the neighborhood of about a 170 boards.

Scott Cowan [00:11:53]:

Okay. So

Daniel Brown [00:11:54]:

And how long 2021.

Scott Cowan [00:11:56]:

2021. So in the last 3 years, so about, let’s say, 50 to 60 boards a year? Yeah. Yeah. What do you aspire to? What’s for this if this were firing on all cylinders for you in the sense I’m not saying it’s not, but, like, if you. What’s the vision? What’s the grand vision for you?

Daniel Brown [00:12:17]:

So the grand vision, before I jump into that, It isn’t firing all cylinders. This, this past year, a lot of economic uncertainty, a lot of stuff, was the lowest years for donations, Wenatchee donations. I appreciated those that I got, but they were much fewer and further between despite doing the same advertising Marketing of it. So a lot of this came out of pocket. But, the grand vision would be that we have a A method of influx of of cash, in order to purchase, purchase the gear and get it out to the kids in the in the in the world of Fresno Skateboard Salvage, which is Rodney’s gig. He works as a trucker and visits prisons, drops off boards, they paint them, they auction them, and then they use that money. So he has that

Scott Cowan [00:13:14]:

Oh, that’s

Daniel Brown [00:13:15]:

that that vehicle. That’s not necessarily what I’d be able to do because I’m not out on the road that often. But

Scott Cowan [00:13:22]:

Right. Right.

Daniel Brown [00:13:23]:

Firing firing on all cylinders, I’d love to, to have more money coming in on a regular basis so that this would just be self sustaining and not cyclical. Right now, it’s pretty much Christmas. And in springtime, We get some boards out to people, and anytime people can ask for gear, you know, it’s not just completes. It’s decks, bearings, trucks. Like, Utah is what you need, and we’ll try to get it. And sometimes, just go out to skate park, and if we have gear, we just hand it out to People that are there tend to visit places where there’s more financial instability.

Scott Cowan [00:14:04]:

Mhmm. Do you have do you have the ability to help with, like, maintenance of a board? In other words, can you do you sit down and help a kid Learn how to maintain their board if they don’t know or, you know, like you said, there’s, you know, trucks and wheels and things like that. So, I mean, is there some an an educational component to the to the board itself that you guys can help with?

Daniel Brown [00:14:28]:

Yeah. There’s Scott, it’s not that heavy right now because I’m in an army of 1. Right. Right. That is a goal to have, you know, and we’ve done it a couple of times where we’d go out to community events and things like that and set up shop and talk to kids about forwards and explain how to maintain them and, what the parts are and let people ride them and things like that. There’s a ton of stuff out there that’s, that’s available online, with regard to that, but a lot of times, it really helps to To do hands

Scott Cowan [00:15:07]:

on type

Daniel Brown [00:15:08]:

of activity.

Scott Cowan [00:15:09]:

You can I can watch YouTube all day, and I still don’t understand what they’re trying to tell me to do? So But you but you sit down with me and you go, hey. This is oh, now somehow, the the the now I make the connection. That’s that’s really cool. I you know, I like the idea that the Fresno guy of doing, partnering with the with with inmates to to do Art and then auctioning it off is a is a fundraiser. I got some ideas I’ll share with you when we’re not recording because I don’t wanna Say something and then have it blow back on me in a bad way. And if it works out, then you can take all the credit. So If you were firing on all cylinders the way you envision this, would you just stay local, or would you begin to ship boards? Would you would you expand out a little bit, or is it do you feel like this this project, this idea is just better served in the local Puget Sound area?

Daniel Brown [00:16:08]:

I think, you know, the big hairy audacious goal is, you know, I didn’t name it skateboards for all for No reason. You know, if you think about, like, Jeff Bezos naming, you know, buyingrelentless.com, I’m not comparing myself to him at any rate. Right. But, but I would I would love to, be able to warehouse and work with suppliers, that could where we could warehouse this stuff and ship it out to anybody who needed it. And, obviously, we’d have to have a tighter control on who gets what and how to bet bet out the need. But Folks like Skates Like a Girl or, or or those type of organizations have started out in the same way. Start out local, build it up, and then get to a space where they’re educating folks, providing gear, Providing contacts, all those all those things. So firing on all cylinders, I’d love to have it all encompassing.

Daniel Brown [00:17:13]:

Just not there right now.

Scott Cowan [00:17:16]:

K. So right now, Christmas and spring, kind of the big big seasons for So as we’re recording this, it’s it’s not Christmas, and it’s certainly not spring here in Wenatchee. It’s got snow on the ground. What, What are you doing right now to kind of gear up for for the spring? Or and how do you go about your fundraising, and and how can we help, like, spread the word for you? What’s Tell us tell us more.

Daniel Brown [00:17:43]:

Well, doing this has helped them spread the word. It’s been a long time since I’ve been on a guest. I’ve been a a guest on a podcast to talk about what I’m doing. That’s always helped. The fundraising is generally Out to the public, posting it on, you know, primarily Instagram, directing people to a site. There’s Venmo and PayPal that they can donate, we’ll arrange gear to be sent to me. We’ve done that in the past before where we accepted gear from people Far away is, Rochester, New York and Columbus, Ohio. So those those avenues are always available, always present.

Daniel Brown [00:18:24]:

And then through my work at, I work at a Coffee giant, Starbucks. And, we’ve had a lot of folks. I’ll put out the word to the folks in that space, and, generally, Some donations come from there as well.

Scott Cowan [00:18:42]:

That’s cool. I’m gonna, I’m gonna pause you. I always ask this question later on in the episode. I’m gonna ask you earlier. Alright. You’re in the Seattle area. Where’s a grape I’m gonna drive over. I’m gonna paint the scenario.

Scott Cowan [00:18:54]:

I’m gonna drive over from Wenatchee. I and you know I love coffee. So where’s a great place that I should go for coffee?

Daniel Brown [00:19:01]:

Let me answer that question with a question. What kind of coffee experience are you looking for?

Scott Cowan [00:19:07]:

I am a black coffee or a pour over guy. I’m not I don’t want my coffee with oat milk. I don’t I, you know, I I like I you know, shots of espresso are good. I I’m just a very simple, old school coffee drinker.

Daniel Brown [00:19:29]:

Alrighty. So first one’s gonna be a little surprising, And I have a story to go with that. K. Tutabella on Stoneway

Scott Cowan [00:19:39]:

Yeah.

Daniel Brown [00:19:39]:

Has a manual Emmanuel espresso maker. You serve as the piston. I’ve tipped twice to 3 times as much my shots of espresso Because the people know how to use it, man. I had to tell them that too. Mhmm. Because it’s an art, and not too many people know how to do it. And I’ve had plenty of bad shots. So that’s kind of an Cowan unusual thing, not for the ambiance, but if you just wanna go have that experience.

Daniel Brown [00:20:08]:

Gonna go the full kind of pour over route. There’s a lot of places that do it. You know, this the the roastery and the reserve stores On Capitol Hill and at the at the SSC, there’s plenty of Starbucks partners that Make incredible cups of coffee in those ways. Let’s see. Locally, good cup of black coffee. Right here in not too far in my neighborhood, there’s a couple of places that have shut down over time. Cafe Vontour was a great place to go. They roasted on-site.

Daniel Brown [00:20:45]:

They shut down a while ago. But, there’s a place called Revolutions Over in the Green Lake Rose of Altaria that also does a great pour over, and they know their coffee. And I don’t know where he’s at. Right across the street from the Angry Beaver, Seattle’s original hockey bar, was a place called Neptune that Blew up because of a gas explosion. But, the gentleman there, Balthazar, you can find him under the Neptune Coffee On Instagram, he he really knows his coffee. He wants, I ordered something, and he said, hey. No. No.

Daniel Brown [00:21:26]:

No. No. No. No. You can’t I’m not gonna serve you that because I gotta serve you this. And it was a coffee that was effervescent and had an essence of mint. And I will spend my life chasing down what that George Halva States coffee was Because I wanna experience that again, and I haven’t been able to find it.

Scott Cowan [00:21:46]:

So I got a couple questions that actually, I’m gonna tell you share a Starbucks reserve Story with you. So Jim, hunger, says we gotta go. I gotta take you. Gonna go to the roastery. We go down there. I think I I think by the time I left that day, I spent, like, $300. You know, Starbucks is very good. Starbucks comp the the the experience is like the Best and worst of Vegas and Disney at the same time.

Scott Cowan [00:22:13]:

You know, there’s no clocks in there. You can spend a lot of money. I mean, they’ve they’ve dialed it in. It’s brilliant. But the the most magical thing I had, we we did a couple of siphon presses. Those are cool. Ended up buying a siphon press. That’s a cool cool visual way to make coffee.

Scott Cowan [00:22:32]:

Like, that’s a cool thing. But I had their Whiskey aged Guatemalan, cold, iced. And they serve it like in a glass, like, from an old an Fashion glass with 1 single ice cube, and I think that may be the single most delicious thing I’ve ever had in my life, Whether it’s coffee or anything, it was it was amazing. And and and Jim was just kinda cackling because he knew he knew I would like it. And, I ended up buying some coffee for for for to take, and I gave him I gave him a bag of it. I gave his mom a bag of it, you know, because I really appreciate it. And I brought it home, And no matter what I could do, I could not duplicate that. It was it was not good at home, but it was amazing there.

Scott Cowan [00:23:23]:

And Yeah. That’s, like, a tourist experience that if you go to Seattle or to I don’t wanna go the one in Chicago. That’s where I wanna go. I wanna see it in Chicago.

Daniel Brown [00:23:33]:

We should do another one of these on coffees because I got to go to all of them over the course of the last year.

Scott Cowan [00:23:40]:

That’s unfortunate for you.

Daniel Brown [00:23:41]:

For work. Yeah. It was really terrible. And, Hassay, all of us in Costa Rica.

Scott Cowan [00:23:48]:

Oh my gosh. Alright. So what’s your go to coffee drink when you go out for coffee? What do you like?

Daniel Brown [00:23:57]:

My go to is either, like, in the winter, it tends to be, like a Double tall either a double tall mocha with a pump single pump of chocolate or a, double short cappuccino. And for the rest of the year, That’s when I go out. Other than that, it’s gonna be, like, clover Scott of espresso. Those the cappuccino and the the mocha are kind of standards throughout my career, but Shot of espresso or clover is probably more of my go to for the majority of the year. Mhmm. I’m still one of those hot coffee drinkers too. So I’ll drink them both, but I just like my coffee warm. Weird

Scott Cowan [00:24:43]:

So what we’re gonna put you on the spot about Starbucks. What’s your favorite Starbucks coffee?

Daniel Brown [00:24:56]:

1st favorite. Well, I got a story. So we’re delving into coffee pretty pretty deep here.

Scott Cowan [00:25:01]:

That’s that’s alright. Well, it’s the that’s the essence of the show, to be honest. We skateboarding was just the The trick to get you into talking about this. Okay? Let’s we’ll just come back.

Daniel Brown [00:25:10]:

My the 1st coffee I ever thought tasted Like, something other than coffee mostly because I smoked cigarettes at the time and drank coffee from Denny’s. The first time, I remember tasting a coffee and going, wow, this is different. It was Costa Rica Tres Rios, which we have in small batches now because it’s small farm. And when I got to go in the origin experience down to Costa Rica last year, I’ve met the guy who’d been exporting it for 30 years, and it was just one of those mind blowing moments. Like, you and I have been indirectly connected for years, And you’re handing in the business over to your daughter, and, wow, it was just one of those cool moments.

Scott Cowan [00:25:53]:

Right. Right.

Daniel Brown [00:25:53]:

In general, it’s Sulawesi. When I hit my 25 year anniversary, a couple of our roasters, I asked them to roast it. In their words, they said, we roast Coffee for people we don’t like enough. We’ll roast them for you. So does that mean you like me? And we’re like, we don’t wanna go that far, but, Sulawesi. Silhouettes. Sotheby’s. Okay.

Scott Cowan [00:26:15]:

Alright. Alright. So what coffee pairs with skateboarding?

Daniel Brown [00:26:23]:

Honestly, probably a nice Americano. Because the last thing you wanna do when you’re, you know, Sessioning somewhere, be it a curb, a ramp, hanging out with friends. More often than not, especially in Seattle, it’s gonna be warm. The last thing you wanna do is reach for a hot coffee. On the way to on the way to the park curb Or downhill session, probably a shot of espresso. But once I get there, probably an iced Americano, just something I can slug real quickly or black coffee in a thermos.

Scott Cowan [00:26:56]:

Black coffee in a thermos. Alright. Solid. Solid. Alright. I’m still intrigued this skateboarding thing. I’d love the idea to me okay. I know I don’t I don’t skateboard.

Scott Cowan [00:27:11]:

I’ve said that earlier. And I don’t know I mean, the only skateboarder I can think of as Tony Hawk, which, you know, is if I think every American knows the name Tony Hawk. Actually, that’s not true. There’s, who’s the actor that played My Name is Earl? Do you know who I’m talking about? He was a skateboarder before he be he was a skateboarder before he became a, I I saw that somewhere in a bio. So okay. What In your opinion, in in general, what’s the appeal? What’s the draw to skateboarding? Why is it such a I I don’t want to call it a cult. I don’t mean it like that, but it’s like it’s it’s got this this appeal to this segment of the culture. Why?

Daniel Brown [00:28:00]:

That’s a deep question. Oh, by the way, Jason Lee is probably a bit more of a deep cut than most people know. Like, people may listen to that and go, I’ll be damned. He really was a professional skateboarder and very talented, I might add. Okay. To tie back to live music, Matt Hensley, now flogging Molly, was also a professional skateboarder.

Scott Cowan [00:28:23]:

Okay. Alright. But There’s also a a guy who’s in in the in the motivational space that I think was a skateboarder too, and I can’t think of his name. I can see his face, but I can’t think of his name. Okay. Anyway, go on.

Daniel Brown [00:28:36]:

I think the to me, the appeal to me As a kid, it was the same as, like, bike riding or what have you. It’s freedom. It’s How to Get Around. Quite frankly, it was also a skateboarder magazine, and that image of the California lifestyle and being a Central Valley kid, That was what I aspired to. And then when I moved to by the time it went back underground so I started in the mid seventies on its high rise. And about the time 1980 hit, it was punk rock. It was it was counterculture. It was, all of those things.

Daniel Brown [00:29:17]:

That’s when Prasher Magazine came about, and I still had a couple of boards that I rode, but I was like, that is when I what I wanna be a part of. And the folks that, I I was hanging with, you know, we were listening to the Dead Kennedys, and, Like, the first 2 albums I bought were Iron Maiden and Black Flag Damaged. And shortly thereafter, I got my I got my first real skateboard, So that’s ages 10 and 11. Okay. But I think that that still holds true. There’s a counterculture element to it. And, again, there’s no need for a coach. You just go out and do.

Daniel Brown [00:30:00]:

And Mhmm. It’s A community. Right?

Scott Cowan [00:30:03]:

So you

Daniel Brown [00:30:03]:

go to a skate park, and, generally, people are gonna be supportive. Older skaters are gonna be like, hey. You wanna do that to everybody, but People who ride scooters, not that I have a problem with people riding scooters, but they’re the people who are getting, who are getting the short end of the stick at the skatepark right now. But I think that that still appeals to people, that community, that ability to express yourself, the fact that it’s also a mode of transportation. And Even though it’s in the Olympics now, it’s still not, you know, like the other sport that’s near and dear to me. It’s not like hockey Where it’s very reserved and reticent in all of those things. It’s kinda what you wanna make of it is skateboarding. If you wanna go bomb a hill at A 100 miles an hour, great.

Daniel Brown [00:30:48]:

If you wanna go hit the skate park, great. If you wanna take it down to the 711, if those still exist, great.

Scott Cowan [00:30:55]:

I did not know that skateboarding was an Olympic sport now. Interesting.

Daniel Brown [00:31:00]:

Yeah. Tokyo. Really? Now it has trainers and all of that all the accoutrements that go around it.

Scott Cowan [00:31:09]:

So I had a guest on And, coffee roaster, and they only roast decaf. So it’s an interesting thing out in Sultan area. And, interesting one over I actually met met them in person, went over to their little, roasting setup. Very small. Nothing like what I saw at Starbucks. And his hobby and this is a guy who’s my age, and he works at Microsoft in some managerial capacity. He does longboarding, but there’s a competition in Maryhill down in Goldendale. Have you heard about this?

Daniel Brown [00:31:48]:

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Mary Hill is one of the it’s like Waimea for long borders. Well, for for downhill long borders.

Scott Cowan [00:31:56]:

Yeah. That’s his thing. I mean, like, he that’s what he does. He that’s his that’s his Relaxation is fun, and he’s got young girls in, you know, preteen and early teens. And they’re doing this, and they’re going they’re And they do lose down it too, and they’re they’re they’re I’m just like, okay. But he was saying, you know, 60, 70 miles an hour down the hills. But what he told me that I thought was interesting, have you ever been there to this course that is there?

Daniel Brown [00:32:27]:

Oh, yeah. If you’ve ever gone to the Goldendale Observatory or Yeah. Or the The

Scott Cowan [00:32:34]:

museum, is it?

Daniel Brown [00:32:35]:

Yeah. The Sam Hill,

Scott Cowan [00:32:37]:

Stonehenge.

Daniel Brown [00:32:39]:

It’s right there. It’s It’s the it’s the loopy road that you take up is that they they bomb Cowan. And Well,

Scott Cowan [00:32:45]:

so what he told me When he told me the guy who built that building at at the top was in the concrete business, and that that road is made out of different types of concrete. They were testing Wenatchee, so it’s built differently than most roads are. And that’s one of the one of the appeals to it is that it’s it’s constructed A lot differently than, you know, a a Cowan current highway in Washington Scott, which, you know, you’re taking your life into your hands if you’re skateboarding on one of those. So, anyway, I I just yeah. And he’s, you know, his helmets and leather gear, and, you know, I’m like, My god. You guys are crazy. And you just mentioned bombing down a hill, and that kinda jogged my brain. So what’s your go to? What do you like to do on a board?

Daniel Brown [00:33:34]:

A little bit little bit of the above, except for bombing downhills. And I do wanna get the contact info of that guy For both the coffee connection and the skateboarding. Okay. But, but for me, It’s motor transportation. Like, I’ll take my longboard to, to work, park the car, throw on Throw on a helmet and escape the last mile into Cowan, and just as an escape, And Scott slalom, stuff like that. It’s more it’s more transportation, and with the with regard to the longboard and just kind of an escape, and then during lockdown, I bought a couple of quarter pipes for our backyard and started writing transition again on a regular basis, which is really fun at that point. So there’s a little bit of that too. A little bit more careful about, what I do at age 53 than I was at age 20.

Daniel Brown [00:34:38]:

Great.

Scott Cowan [00:34:38]:

So what’s the worst what’s the worst accident you’ve ever had?

Daniel Brown [00:34:43]:

Concussion. I spent Christmas Of, here we go. I’m forgetting it because I had a concussion. Because

Scott Cowan [00:34:53]:

because of concussion.

Daniel Brown [00:34:54]:

I had, I spent Christmas of 1985 in a hospital because I was coming down a hill toward my house, And my dogs ran out and table topped me. Like, 1 hit me right behind the knees and took me down. The next thing I remember, I was knocking on my door, and I went to the hospital, said, hey, I feel fine. And later that night, I was chatting with a guy I was supposed to skate with the next day. He was, Like, one of the only skateboarders in Seattle or in the Auburn area at the time. And I was like, I don’t think I’m gonna make it, and And then I went to the hospital.

Scott Cowan [00:35:29]:

Oh my gosh. Okay. Alright. That’s I mean, concussions are scary. I don’t mean to dismiss them, but, you know, fractured arms and legs and skulls happen a lot of times too. So, you know

Daniel Brown [00:35:41]:

Yeah. Nothing nothing that bad. Other than that, it’s just been, you know, the occasional dislocation or mostly, it’s just been Scrapes, bumps, bruises, no ruptured spleens, which is pretty common with vertical skaters.

Scott Cowan [00:35:58]:

Yeah. Now you mentioned you’re I can’t remember. Do you have you have a daughter, but do you have more than 1 kid?

Daniel Brown [00:36:05]:

Yeah. I have a daughter who’s 15, and a sophomore in high Scott. And I have a son Who’s 22 and a, kid’s applying for grad school.

Scott Cowan [00:36:19]:

Okay. Do either of them skate? Jeez. Do either of them skateboard?

Daniel Brown [00:36:25]:

No. They they both tried it. I think the very same thing that attracted me to it, because we moved everybody back in during lockdown. I was like, hey, we have these ramps. We have boards. Let’s do it.

Scott Cowan [00:36:38]:

Right? Right.

Daniel Brown [00:36:39]:

And they have their own boards and stuff like that, and neither one of them really jumped on it. They’ll do it occasionally, but Mostly mostly their boards just sit around.

Scott Cowan [00:36:52]:

Okay. Now your daughter, you mentioned hockey earlier, which they we’re gonna we’re gonna touch on hockey During this conversation too because that’s another thing that you’re into.

Daniel Brown [00:37:00]:

How much time do we have?

Scott Cowan [00:37:02]:

We have unlimited time. You know, it’s it’s digital tape. We got all the tape in the world, but, let’s wrap up the the board thing. So what I want you to tell me is, specifically, where can people find you online? Where do you want them to go? Instagram, is that the best way? Where’s the best place to find you if they wanna know more about what you’re doing or if they if they have the ability and interest in helping?

Daniel Brown [00:37:27]:

I think Instagram is probably the easiest because people are on it. And, outside of that, I would say And what’s the handle? What

Scott Cowan [00:37:38]:

what’s the handle on Instagram?

Daniel Brown [00:37:40]:

It’s, s k, the number 8, s for all. So skates for all.

Scott Cowan [00:37:49]:

And 4 spelled out, or is it 4 a l l?

Daniel Brown [00:37:52]:

Yeah. 4 is spelled out. It gets confusing because on the site, it’s not.

Scott Cowan [00:37:56]:

Okay. And what’s the website address?

Daniel Brown [00:38:00]:

The website address is, skateboards, The number 4 all .org.

Scott Cowan [00:38:11]:

K. I’ll

Daniel Brown [00:38:12]:

put those on the show.

Scott Cowan [00:38:14]:

I’ll I’ll double check you. Folks, go go look at the show notes. Don’t don’t trust Daniel. Just go look at the show notes. We’ll get you the right add address so people can find

Daniel Brown [00:38:23]:

out more about concussion.

Scott Cowan [00:38:25]:

Yeah. He had a concussion years ago and anyway. Alright. So that’s really cool, and I’m glad you’re doing that. I I think it’s a really cool thing, and, It it sparks a couple of ideas in my brain we we’ll talk about later. But the other thing that okay. So I know you you and I know each other because, like I said, mutual coffee and music thing, so we Scott that. But then I also know because Jim told me and you you I’ve you know, I’ve seen you post about it too.

Scott Cowan [00:38:50]:

You’re into hockey for some reason, and what I’m noticing is this trend. You don’t like to walk. You wanna either skate or roll around on a board. And I don’t know what you got against walking. I’m just kidding. But what what got you into hockey? The concussion?

Daniel Brown [00:39:06]:

No. The, the there’s a connection there as well. The same person who I started skateboarding with and listening to punk rock with Mhmm. His, early transplant, meaning early in his life transplant to Fresno from Minnesota.

Scott Cowan [00:39:23]:

Okay?

Daniel Brown [00:39:24]:

So he both skateboarded. His name was Jason Burtz. Lost contact with him years ago. But he played ice hockey, Lear kinda taught me the rudiments of it, and, you know, we skateboarded all the time together. Okay. And so I got into it because of that and moved up here. My dad is running his own business. And so I got out and have the ability to drive you across borders and around the tri state area to play hockey.

Daniel Brown [00:39:48]:

I said, okay. Wrestling and skateboarding, it is. And there, a decision was made. Then my daughter started playing. I started volunteering, for the organization, and then, I got tired of driving to rinks and not having the ability to play. And walking, you know, walking, maybe it’s, you know, the Southern Californian in me. You know? You don’t nobody walks anywhere?

Scott Cowan [00:40:12]:

Nobody walks in LA.

Daniel Brown [00:40:14]:

Exactly.

Scott Cowan [00:40:15]:

Okay. So Your daughter’s playing hockey, and you mentioned the organization. What organization is is her team involved with?

Daniel Brown [00:40:26]:

Her team, she plays and I coach for and served on the board of, Western Washington Wild is the name of the teams, but it’s, the Washington Wild. But it’s washing Western Washington Female Hockey Association.

Scott Cowan [00:40:43]:

And there seems to be well, okay. The Kraken brought Yes. Seattle’s had the Thunderbirds, and and we’ve got you know, there’s a lot there’s been a lot of junior hockey in the region for a long, long, long time. But when the Kraken, You know, we came to town and and up to all the buzz, they they did a really good job in my opinion of creating buzz, for a a quote unquote new sport. And they they did I think they did an excellent job Introducing the sport into the consciousness of the community. That and they went and put was it 3 rings up The well, the old Northgate Mall area, they’ve got now that Yep. Scott yeah. Okay.

Scott Cowan [00:41:26]:

So they’ve they’ve invested in some infrastructure. Cowan you know, hockey rinks are not cheap. They take maintenance, all of these things. But I’ve what I’ve been aware of more Is that there’s more to I know I’m wrong, but this is how I feel. There’s more women playing hockey amateur than there are men right now. It’s like women’s hockey has become a thing.

Daniel Brown [00:41:49]:

You’re not wrong.

Scott Cowan [00:41:50]:

Is it that is that pent up aggression they wanna I mean, I don’t know. I’m kidding. But it’s like, what is why do you think your daughter was attracted to hockey?

Daniel Brown [00:42:01]:

So birthday is July 27th. You know? Not that I need you to remember it. But so oftentimes, that’s one of the hotter days of the year. And so as little kids, We’d go ice skating. I’d go you know, I’d be shorts and a t shirt, and I’d go up to the old, unfortunately, now gone, Highland Ice Arena. Yeah. And we’d skate around, and she really liked ice skating, took lessons. And then one day, we’re skating around Highland, and she saw the flyer for Western Washington Female Hockey Organization or WUFA as we call it.

Daniel Brown [00:42:35]:

And, she said, I think I could do that. My wife and I took her to the Tri Hockey for Free Day, whichever organization has. Ran into somebody from Starbucks, so there was another connection. And she came off the ice with an ear to ear grin. This is at age 6. And

Scott Cowan [00:42:54]:

Wow. Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:42:55]:

And I looked at my wife and said, we’ve just became hockey parents. Let me kinda tell you what that’s about. And, and

Scott Cowan [00:43:03]:

We’re broke. We’re gonna be broke.

Daniel Brown [00:43:06]:

At least we’re not goalie parents.

Scott Cowan [00:43:08]:

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:43:10]:

That’s a whole different story, but, you’re not wrong. The fastest growing segment in USA Hockey and, I believe, in Hockey Canada, but, specifically within USA Hockey is female hockey participation. Mhmm. It’s huge. It’s blown up over the last Few years, and, it’s there’s a camaraderie and a teamwork to it, And I much prefer the women’s game to the men’s game because it’s just a different vibe. So coaching these young women and young Non binary players, has been, really eye opening because it’s made me fall in love with the sport that I fell out of love because of all the kind of Jocular not jocularity, jockishness that you see in a lot of team sports like that.

Scott Cowan [00:44:01]:

Okay. That’s pretty cool. And and, you know, and then so does your daughter is she playing at the whatever the I don’t know what the name of the facility is up there, The old Northgate area, is that where this is taking place mostly? Is that home ice?

Daniel Brown [00:44:16]:

Yeah. That is home ice for us for the last, Washington wild team to be practicing out of there to be titled the wild.

Scott Cowan [00:44:25]:

Mhmm.

Daniel Brown [00:44:26]:

Last year, as you alluded to, there’s not a lot of ice rinks around here. And so as the Cowan junior Kraken grows their program, A lot of people lost ice. I’m so we banded together with, Seattle Junior Hockey Association and created a team set of teams called the Seattle Red Hawks, which is an amalgamation or or a merger of Western Washington female hockey and, Seattle juniors. But, yeah, that’s our home ice. So we get to practice on the same ice as the crack Cowan do sometimes. We get to meet players that come through there. They’ve given the the girls sticks and stuff like that. And

Scott Cowan [00:45:09]:

That’s cool.

Daniel Brown [00:45:10]:

Last weekend, even Jack Whitehall and Michael Buble were there shooting a movie.

Scott Cowan [00:45:15]:

Really?

Daniel Brown [00:45:16]:

Yeah. Amazon’s saving costs probably because they’re like, well, we own the rank. We’re producing the show. We got the talent already. Let’s just use our space. Now, I’m being facetious, but thank

Scott Cowan [00:45:28]:

you for your time. Though. You know? You’re probably not I mean, seriously, that that’s gonna be Look. It’s a business, and if we can save 15% by using our own facility, let’s save 15%. I mean, You would do

Daniel Brown [00:45:44]:

it if

Scott Cowan [00:45:44]:

Who would that be

Daniel Brown [00:45:45]:

in a movie?

Scott Cowan [00:45:46]:

Right. Exactly. Okay. Alright. Yeah. Hockey is, have you I have not been to a Kraken game yet. Have you have you been?

Daniel Brown [00:45:55]:

Oh, yeah. I have. I was, I think, number 847 in season tickets When they did, like, 32,000 within an hour, that was

Scott Cowan [00:46:05]:

What am I missing?

Daniel Brown [00:46:06]:

I gotta go.

Scott Cowan [00:46:08]:

Yeah. What am I missing?

Daniel Brown [00:46:11]:

Let me ask you this question. Have you ever been to Silvertip’s, the Wenatchee Wild now in the neighborhood?

Scott Cowan [00:46:19]:

Yep. Wenatchee Wild. I’ve been to 1 Wenatchee Wild, experience. And it was it was before the it was last year, so they weren’t in the WHL. At that time, they were in the They were the only American team in in a in a junior Canadian league. So

Daniel Brown [00:46:33]:

Yeah. They’ve moved up to the the BCHL. Like, the VC hockey team.

Scott Cowan [00:46:38]:

Right. And now they’re in the WHL. And doing quite well, by the way, to to rub it in.

Daniel Brown [00:46:44]:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s great. They, yeah. Well, Seattle won last year, but they are in a world I heard this year. And, really, they’re not Seattle, but Kent.

Scott Cowan [00:46:53]:

They’re Kent.

Daniel Brown [00:46:54]:

But I digress. The, if you’ve ever been to a game, I think what you’re missing is the, In junior hockey, we have kids 16. They were, like, my daughter’s age, 16 to 20. And The precision isn’t there. The size and speed isn’t there. There’s a lot of impressive stuff happening on the ice, and I love jitter hockey for that. But with the NHL and, the PWHL for the for the women’s hockey league, which doesn’t have a team in Seattle yet, but I have another friend who’s working on that diligently. So if you want her information, I’ll throw it out there.

Daniel Brown [00:47:35]:

But, It’s the speed and finesse, of the game. And quite frankly, for the Seattle Kraken, It is the environment that they play in. Climate Pledge Arena is has a great environment to watch hockey and Players, coaches, folks have, have come around over the course of the years and that they’ve been The peers have been in existence and said the same thing. It’s just it’s it’s a great place to go. And then lucky luckily enough, we got the, The winter classic this past year too, which is Right. Pretty impressive on how it sounds. Were were

Scott Cowan [00:48:19]:

you able to attend that?

Daniel Brown [00:48:21]:

I was only because I volunteered for it.

Scott Cowan [00:48:24]:

Okay. So I’m gonna call it Safeco because it’s it’s it’s It’s always gonna be safe for me. I saw Tom Petty there, and I love Safeco for baseball as a concert venue. I was it was not Not I Cowan pass. How was it for hockey?

Daniel Brown [00:48:47]:

From the dugout, when we were rehearsing, we we were a group of people. They had reached out to all, Kraken Hockey League and others and said, hey. Can you go impersonate the teams? And so we did the walkouts onto the stage. And Right. Side note, we got we got to see, A brilliant kid whose name escapes me right now played the national anthem a la Jim Hendrix. Just blew my mind. 14 years old, and sure mix a lot perform out there. But

Scott Cowan [00:49:16]:

When I think of hockey, I think of sure mix a lot.

Daniel Brown [00:49:18]:

Exactly. Right? Well and Hart. We got to see Hart too.

Scott Cowan [00:49:22]:

Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:49:23]:

Alright. So it was pretty impressive. But the as a hockey venue, if you’re sitting up higher, I think it was, from my understanding from my friends and things like that, it was a better experience. Because we volunteered, We got tickets right down on the field, so you could see the heads of the people above the boards. And we’re mostly watching TV with, you know, 40,000 of our closest friends.

Scott Cowan [00:49:50]:

Yeah. But

Daniel Brown [00:49:50]:

it as a venue, I think up above, It looked really good, especially, like, if you were sitting in a kinda horseshoe behind home plate.

Scott Cowan [00:49:58]:

Mhmm.

Daniel Brown [00:49:59]:

But we were sitting down Just passed the dugouts on the 3rd base side, and it was cool experience. Got to see Wayne Gretzky, like, 4 feet from me.

Scott Cowan [00:50:09]:

Yeah?

Daniel Brown [00:50:10]:

Got to see take pictures and shake hands with some of the broadcasters. But I’d say get a seat higher up. That’s Yeah. The closed seats.

Scott Cowan [00:50:20]:

Yes. So you can you can watch everything unfold. Alright. Okay. So we’re gonna wrap this up. I got a couple questions I always ask my guests, so Let’s we’re gonna do this. So to kinda recap, Daniel, you work for a small coffee company no one’s ever heard of? Yep. You have a skateboard nonprofit.

Scott Cowan [00:50:41]:

You coach Youth hockey. You’re a music fan, but what do you do in your spare time? What do you guys like to do? What do you and your wife like to do? What do you guys do when you’re not and, oh, and you read a lot because that was the precursor to the the the nonprofit. So what what do you like to do for fun?

Daniel Brown [00:51:03]:

Hike. Get outdoors. Living in Seattle, like, if we want a quick hike, we just head over to Discovery Park and go wandering around down there because it’s a gym that people forget about. During the summers, get out near North Bend because it’s also fairly close by. A ferry ride is all Always good. As my wife says, you can just see anytime you get on the water. You can see your blood pressure lower. She’s

Scott Cowan [00:51:31]:

not wrong. No. Because it’s elevated because you waited 3 hours in line for the ferry. No. Just kidding.

Daniel Brown [00:51:37]:

Yeah. Totally. Stand up paddle boarding.

Scott Cowan [00:51:41]:

Oh, that’s right.

Daniel Brown [00:51:42]:

I have a Wenatchee that I tooled around on some because it’s pretty cool little invention that feels like snowboarding on concrete.

Scott Cowan [00:51:48]:

Once again, not a lot of walking here. Just pointing that out.

Daniel Brown [00:51:52]:

No. No. No. Yeah. Walking is boring, and then, you know, cycling. So, again, no walking. Hiking. Hiking is a lot of walking.

Scott Cowan [00:52:03]:

Yeah. I know. I know. That’s okay. Alright. So the Question I always ask. So I’m gonna get to Seattle area around lunchtime, and I need to grab food. Give me a couple of ideas of great places I should go check out for lunch in the in the Seattle.

Scott Cowan [00:52:18]:

You know, down at So to maybe, you know, where’s a good place that I I need to try?

Daniel Brown [00:52:25]:

What are you looking for?

Scott Cowan [00:52:26]:

Yep. You don’t no. I’m looking for your recommendation. What do you what are you recommending? I’m easy to please. You’re not gonna say anything I’m probably gonna go to.

Daniel Brown [00:52:36]:

I think, underrated, it’s probably marination.

Scott Cowan [00:52:41]:

Oh, okay.

Daniel Brown [00:52:43]:

The, the Hawaiian it started out as a Hawaiian food truck, and they now have locations. You’ve mentioned Slim’s Last Chance, which Atmosphere and the food kinda match up. Chinese food. I’d say, Judy Fu’s up here in the North Seattle area, is kind of an institution. Though it’s only dying out, no more dying in. Oh, what am I thinking of? There’s gotta be another one.

Scott Cowan [00:53:16]:

Well, what’s down by the, what’s down in So to? What’s what what’s let’s let’s let’s narrow it a little bit. What what’s going on in So to these days?

Daniel Brown [00:53:24]:

Not a lot. Fussyclo just opened up, which is which is good pho and banh mi.

Scott Cowan [00:53:31]:

That was there when I worked there. Do were Yeah.

Daniel Brown [00:53:34]:

They closed up during lockdown, and then they reopened.

Scott Cowan [00:53:36]:

So they’ve opened back up. Okay. Yeah. I used to go there. That was a great place. Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:53:40]:

Alright. Pecos Pit is an institution. It’s a government institution, but it’s an institution.

Scott Cowan [00:53:47]:

It’s an institution.

Daniel Brown [00:53:48]:

It is. There’s a place another Vietnamese place, right up across from, T Mobile park slash Safeco that, is called Denison. Denison. And it’s v I n IS0n. Mhmm. And they they do a pretty good job too. They don’t have to in that location, but I was pretty impressed with them.

Scott Cowan [00:54:17]:

Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:54:17]:

And then kind of a a go to up north, in the Edmonds area is the Rusty Pelican. Oh, yeah. Alright.

Scott Cowan [00:54:29]:

Alright. My last question for you. You ready? This is a very important question. Every guest has to answer it in its complete entirety. Cake or pie, and why.

Daniel Brown [00:54:43]:

Pie, if cobbler is included, because it’s kind of pie deconstructed, and why? Although I like both, pie, half a grandma. You know, my whole family, aside from my sister and I and our cousins, was born in Mississippi for or Louisiana for 100 of years prior to our generation. And so there’s that, there’s that, nostalgia for, eating cobbler and pie at my grandma’s house. And in my opinion, there’s nothing better than, like, a berry pie, Like Mhmm. Blackberry, marionberry, warm, but not too hot out of the oven with a scoop of vanilla ice cream on it. Cake. It gets soggy. There’s too much.

Daniel Brown [00:55:35]:

There’s you know, it’s too much sugar. Like, For whatever reason, the tartness of the berries and the crust and the and the, and the vanilla ice cream is just chef kiss for me.

Scott Cowan [00:55:47]:

Okay. I lied. I have 1 last question, but it’s a question to you to answer. And the question is, what didn’t I ask you that I should have brought up during our conversation today?

Daniel Brown [00:55:58]:

I don’t think much. I would say, if you want another interview, women’s pro hockey Seattle, Zoe Harris. She’s good friend, Super low key. She coached in the American College Hockey Association, and there’s an award named after her for the best player every year. She and her partner, Cindy Daley, started WUFA, and she’s now working on getting a women’s pro hockey team here in Seattle. K. John Barr, who’s been featured on a number of things, started NHL to Seattle, And he got the crack in here. He worked on it for 8 years, 8, 9 years before it happened.

Daniel Brown [00:56:47]:

Another friend. And then, Why am I spacing his name? The guy who runs PMA Magazine, I can find his name for you. He’s, he does a lot of good stuff here, and he was another one of those folks that I consulted with when I started the, The skateboard charity.

Scott Cowan [00:57:09]:

Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:57:09]:

And I and I didn’t mention, Andrew Montoya of Thriftskate Washington

Scott Cowan [00:57:18]:

Okay.

Daniel Brown [00:57:18]:

Which is a shop, HEBO Seattle, And Altogether Skatepark

Scott Cowan [00:57:25]:

Mhmm.

Daniel Brown [00:57:26]:

For giving me 30% discounts on gear. And Marshall, The biggest benefactor for us has been Marshall Reed who runs, Altogether Skatepark. And his handle on Instagram is marshall stacks Reed. And, he’s he’s, he helped out skate skates like a girl Or skate like a girl. And then, when they were up and running, he was, like, hey, I needed a new A new person to work with on this charity. So you’re you’re a great person to do that. So he’s been, from day 1, he’s been from the drop, A, a huge supporter of me, and I didn’t mention him.

Scott Cowan [00:58:07]:

Okay. Well, now you did. Well, Daniel, thank you. This has been fun for me. I think what you’re doing is really, really cool, and I I hope that in a small way, we can help spread the word a little bit more for you. And hopefully, people will Check it out and find ways that they can be a part of it and contribute and help. And, just keep doing it, man. Because We need more people that are doing cool things around, around Washington.